studentsoffranzbardon.com http://www.studentsoffranzbardon.com/_rss.blog Blog Rss Feed Interview with Helmar Rudolph: Hermetics, Cardology, Chakras and the Master Key System //studentsoffranzbardon.com/blog/interview-with-helmar-rudolph-hermetics-cardology-chakras-and-the-master-key-system Today, I would like to welcome Helmar Rudolph to the blog. He has been a big inspiration in my life from his experiences with the Master Key and continues to inspire with his new work which delves deeper into the practice of hermetics and its application in our lives.

Helmar's Website: 
https://derbeste.coach/ (Use translate to read the content and see all the wonderful courses he has lined up.

MBF: Welcome to the blog. It has been some time since our last interview that centred around your work with the Master Key System. For those that are not familiar with your work, can you briefly introduce yourself?

Helmar: My name is Helmar Rudolph, born in Germany, but with strong ties to South Africa, where I spent the better part of the past 30 years. I have a diploma in Marketing Management from the Institute of Marketing Management in Johannesburg. In the early days I did a lot of database programming, then made myself a name in Customer Relationship Management. A period of website development followed, before turning to the Master Key System in 2007.

MBF: Recently I saw that some changes are taking place with the website and https://derbeste.coach/ is now taking centre stage.
Could you let us know about the developments in your coaching program  and how Hermetics and Sacred Symbols now play a role. As I believe the way in which you are presenting this information is really unique and is of great value to the wider community.


Helmar: Yes, and that was just a matter of time. Over the years I did expand my expertise, and the "Mr. Master Key" jacket became a bit too tight. The transition process isn't yet complete, but for now "Der beste Coach" is where all my endeavours are concentrated.

When I started taking cardology ("Sacred Symbols") more seriously back in 2018, it became clear that my publishing efforts would be complemented by personal coaching. Hermetics have always been an integral part. The Chakras are the link between spiritual and the physical world, so they complement my offerings rather nicely.

With those four elements - I call the entire process 4C Transformation (C for corners) - I cover the entire spectrum of personal development and conscious co-creation. Body, mind and spirit — the (w)holy trinity.

You see, the Master Key System is abstract; it applies to everyone learning and practicing it. What's missing is the individual component, the one that differentiates someone born October 4, 1966 from someone born January 7, 1988. We all are on different life paths. Even if we were born on the same day, even a year's difference would mean that what applies to one doesn't apply to the other. It's our individual task to find out our individual rhythm — so to say — and to follow the beat of that drum. That's where cardology comes in, but more on that later.

MBF: Let's look at each new area in detail. First we have the Chakra system which though Charles Haanel mentioned the importance of the Solar Plexus the Chakras were not discussed directly in the MKS.  Could you tell us how these play a role in the new course and how you see these interact with the physical world? Do you see these as actual realities coexisting within us? Or a useful mental map to navigate the qualities of a human being but lacking physical reality? I know there are mixed opinions on this.

Helmar: Behind the Chakras "hides" the wonderful 2nd hermetic principle of "correspondence" — or "analogy". Roughly speaking it stands for "as above, so below", which means that the laws governing the higher planes also govern the lower ones. For me  here on the earthly plane it means that everything is connected — connected by law!

So take the Root Chakra for example: Its colour is red; its element is earth; it stands for our groundedness, our safety and security, our tribe, our family; the base we operate from. It also has a "corresponding" zodiac sign, an alchemistic process, a yoga pose, a precious stone, a tone, a tree, a tissue salt, a planet, a Tarot card, something that blocks it, something that releases it, an endocrine gland etc pp. The same holds true for all the other Chakras - it's all connected!

The Solar Plexus is the 3rd chakra, colour yellow, element fire. No wonder it's — at least according to Haanel - the centre for distributing energy to the entire body. Its ganglionic mass behind the stomach makes us feel like "a million bucks" when we are positive and elated. It also makes us feel like "shit" when the stomach cramps, when we feel threatened or even attacked. Have you ever been in an embarrassing situation where you almost lost control of your bowels? Well, it's the Solar Plexus "lightening your load" in order to help you get out of the situation.

The Solar Plexus means that anything that happens on the outside will have an immediate effect on our physical and emotional wellbeing. That's why it's so important to be in control of your body and your thoughts, so that as a result of that control you stay relaxed at all times — safe from any negative outside influence.

The Chakras link the student's mental work with the Master Key System with his/her real-life experience.  Because of this significance, it goes without saying that it plays an integral part in my teaching and coaching.

I wouldn't call it actual realities that are co-existing within us. There are simply different and more complex levels to our existence, and our ability to influence our own life and the world around us.
 
The Chakras also represent a path of initiation. Whereas the lower ones are deeply linked to our physical existence, the higher ones are impersonal and represent the ephemeral and therefore spiritual aspects of our life. They are a map, yes, because we start with the Root Chakra, and then work ourselves up until we've reached the Crown Chakra. If all seven are operating harmoniously, our life is a symphony of joy and contentment — of health, wealth and fulfilment.

The Master Key System emphasises the Solar Plexus, because it's "contains" the fire that we need to move forward in life. It also protects us from external or foreign influences that could be detrimental to our well-being. It is, however, only one of seven main Chakras. As each one is governed by an endocrine gland, it's obvious that any hormonal release impacts on us directly — and immediately.

MBF: Sacred Symbols. This looks to be a huge subject as you have brought something that is usually very complex and transformed it into a far more easy to access method. I say that with the caveat that I am reading all this via your German language website so I may be misunderstanding some terms. Can you expound on exactly what these Sacred Symbols are and how we apply them to benefit our lives?

Helmar: "Sacred Symbols" leans on the book "Sacred Symbols of the Ancients" by Edith Randall and Florence Campbell. The "sacred symbols" are the 52 playing cards, also called "the little book of the 7 thunders" — the latter being the 7 planets from Mercury to Neptune, which interact with the 52 playing cards.

The entire subject is indeed huge. The playing cards represent a solar calendar, with 4 decks — or seasons, 13 cards per deck — or moons, 52 cards in total — or weeks, 12 court cards or months, and the Joker with a value of 5/4 - the remainder of the days.  If you could Ace (1) to King (13), you'll get 91, times 4 decks equals 364, plus the Joker, et voilà, there's your entire year. The 7 planets represent the seven days of the week. In French it's most apparent: Lunedi (Moon day), Mardi (Mars day), Mercredi (Mercury day), Jeudi (Jupiter day), Vendredi (Venus day), Samedi (or Saturday for Saturn day), and Dimanche (or Sunday for Sun day), leaving out the outer planets of recent discovery, Uranus and Neptune.

But, and here it gets interesting: it's not only a solar calendar, but one for personal development and foretelling future energies. Say you were born on October 4. You'd have the 5 of Diamonds as your birth card and the Jack of Clubs as your Planetary Ruler (Oct 4 is Libra, and Libra is ruled by Venus, so your Venus card is your Planetary Ruler). The 5 of Diamonds is - in a 7x7 grid with 3 crown line cards = 52 cards — the Neptune card in the Saturn line. It has all its 7 planetary cards on the Uranus line, and based on that A LOT can be told about that person.

Say he or she was born in 1966, now being 53 years old. The person would be in the 53rd distribution of the cards. The base distribution is the natural order from Ace to King, in the suit order of Hearts (spring), Clubs (summer), Diamonds (autumn), and Spades (winter). Through a process of quadration, as devised by people in the know back in the day, this natural order gets "distorted". And the first quadration or distortion is where the 5 of Diamonds occupies the Neptune/Saturn position.

The quadration continues over the years, eventually leading — in our case — to year 53, where the 5 of Diamonds not only sits in a completely different position, but also has 7 different cards in front of it. As each of those 7 cards stands for 52 days, totalling 364, they represent periods of energetic qualities. If I now know where I stand with my card, I can see which energies and qualities rule over those 52 day periods. This means I can tune into my own personal rhythm, and that means that I can do the right thing at the right time, vastly enhancing my chances of success.

All this obviously applies to each of the other cards in the deck as well. Find out what your card is means finding out things about your life that you may have had an inkling about, but never really knew for sure. This newly gained knowledge is like a gift from God, because it puts a sceptre of power into your hands. It allows you completely reevaluate your life, strengthening your strengths while managing your weaknesses — and you sure have them!

Cardology is a blend of astrology and numerology. It makes the interpretation very easy, so I find it more accessible than astrology. What is most striking is its accuracy. I wouldn't have gone into reprogramming the system based on the book by Randall/Campbell if I hadn't been so convinced of it.

Now take this highly personal and individual element and link it up with the abstract qualities of the Master Key System, and you have the holy grail of personal development. I know of nothing that even comes close, although there are great individual tools and methods out there. The combination of the MKS and Sacred Symbols, however, does it for me.

MBF: These new programs sound extremely interesting. Knowledge that is often misunderstood or divorced from our practical lives explained clearly. Can you share a little about the discovery of these methods and what impact they have had upon your own life?

Helmar: How much time do you have? First of all, with the cards I found out so much more about myself. I also finally realised why in the past my relationships were of a particular quality — a Jack of Clubs in Venus sure makes for a lot of variety and creative energy in the love department. This allowed me to finally make internal changes, vastly impacting on my current relationship in a positive way.

It also confirmed my "quirkiness" and "being different", because with all my cards on the Uranus line I'm sure up for shaking things up or an electrifying conversation — even argument. Also, as a 5 of Diamonds I replace the 9 of Diamonds in the natural order (Spread 0), which finally explained why the money I earn never stays with me for an extended period of time. It cannot, for the 9 needs to let go, needs to be generous, and as Diamonds stand for values, including money, the values I acquire need to be released. So now I know that I receive by being generous, and that is in fact the case.

My girlfriend is a 7 of Spades. The 7 of Spades is my Jupiter card — my blessing. For my Planetary Ruler (Jack of Clubs) it's the Venus card, so ideal for a relationship. And that's exactly how it's been turning out. Amazing!

Over and above my general "imprint", I can check my annual card distribution for any opportunities or obstacles. This makes for a much smoother and fulfilling life path. See it as your personal headlights that shine light into the future. The value of having such a tool is immense!

MBF: On the site I read this: ‘It has never been so easy to combine the supposedly mystical with the practical and to achieve quick, concrete and sustainable results’, which I think is interesting as there are many masters, gurus and teachers out there promising change and sadly the change or the breakthrough individuals are looking for is often not found. So what makes this program different? How do you manage to create real change in those doing your courses whereby they can progress not only in their inner life but also in their outer life through material success? This for me is a very important difference in your program in that real world results are absolutely expected and the amount of time required for change is realistic in terms of years not days or weeks.

Helmar: The program is different because it's truly holistic. It doesn't cover everything, but it combines the abstract or generic with the individual or personal. It results in my clients reaching a level of energy that becomes self-propelling. This avoids dependencies on me or anyone else. They become a light upon themselves. They become their own masters. I accomplish that simply by means of polarisation. The MKS is on one side, the cards on the other, and in between you find the chakras.

It's not easy to express the complexity in simple terms, but that was as close as I could get it.

The work is clearly an inner one, but the inner needs the outer in order to be of any value. As all my clients have outer needs and desires, there's never a shortage for applying their newly gained inner wisdom in a practical way.

The amount of time for change depends. Some things can be lighthing fast, like the aforementioned insight into your own being. Others take from a couple of days to years. That's normal and expected. You know the saying: "the journey is the destination". Nothing could be more true. You enjoy the journey, knowing from deep within that you'll reap rewards every step of the way. Even the things that take longer to accomplish aren't rushed or a cause for frustration or resignation. Your entire life becomes a symphony of joy and contentment. I think I said this before. :-)

MBF: MKS system is now the final stage of the new curriculum. Do you see this as a requirement for best results to have these prior courses preparing the ground to be ready for the MKS?

Helmar: In the chain Hermetics, Chakras and MKS it's the final stage. You gotta start somewhere, and you need to get your basics right. In effect it runs parallel to Sacred Symbols, although from a "course learning" perspective it may make more sense to do one after the other. You are also welcome to do the cards first, but then it's again Hermetics, Chakras and MKS. The Chakras are pretty simple, so they could technically come after or with the MKS. For the sake of simplicity I have put them together with the Hermetic principles to form part of my free "Fun'Da/Mental" online course.

MBF: I would like to ask now perhaps on the behalf of people who are reading and doing the exercises of the MKS, but who feel like nothing is changing or they are ‘doing it wrong’. As language is a precise tool but the inner meaning of what a term might mean could be different, extremely different between two individuals. With terms like entering the silence… this silence surely is dependent upon the self awareness of the student to be aware of their own mind.  So student A might think their mind is silent but it actually isn't as they are unaware of their mind and the way it operates so cannot see these thoughts.  While Student B might actually be in silence but again has no way of measuring his silence so doubts themselvesThis silence is often a tough skill to develop in many schools but it is right near the beginning of the MKS.

Helmar: Silence is the inevitable result of the first exercise in the MKS: physical control. You sit still for about half an hour. You cannot do this while "noising around" — and you don't want to. Obviously there are many levels to silence. The goal of "our" silence is to be able to observe one's thoughts, so that we can weed out and replace those that haven't been serving us.

Each person has to find their own sweet-spot, and there's nothing that prevents them seeking the silence outside the confines of the MKS study. Fact remains though that without a certain level of mastery you won't realise what you're thinking, never mind what you're living without even thinking (anymore). But that's where you want to "dig". You want to find out your subconscious programming; want to bring it to the surface in order to evaluate it. How to you "live" — and I purposely didn't say "think about", because you don't! — health, wealth and happiness. All those realities have their origin in the subconscious mind. Now if they aren't to your liking, you'll need to dig them up and shine light onto them. Only then are you able to change them — are you able to reverse their polarity. And for that you need the silence, the stilling of your senses.

In the end you want to be able to measure your progress in any area of your life. For that to happen you need to be as comprehensive and deep in your thinking as possible. As you take one step and a time, one area that needs work after the other, you'll make the progress, and you'll know that you did. The MKS lays the foundation; the cards bring in the necessary, individual dynamism. Together they are golden.

MBF: What advice would you give to those struggling with MKS or not getting the results they had expected?

Take a break from your studies. Reconnect with nature. Look in how many ways your life is truly blessed and awesome right now. Appreciate the now. Develop and attitude of gratitude. Start looking at the simple things. See where you've already progressed but never bothered to look — or appreciate. It's really so simple.

And, of course, acquaint yourself with the cards, because you may be following a life path that actually isn't yours. The cards tell you which one is yours, and if you "obey their law", you cannot be notice a significant improvement in your life. That's a fact.

MBF: Despite developing my own programs I think what you have done with these German language courses is gold and do wonder what the timeline is for an English language version.

Helmar: Oh my word! Do you have any idea how much work that is? In terms of the cards there are plenty of cardologists in the US that could help you — it therefore doesn't have to be me. In terms of the MKS et al., my current online courses comprise over 230 videos. It took me the better part of a full year to get it all recorded, edited, put on the website , etc., never mind the years it took me before I was actually ready to take the first step.

And then it's not about content creation, but much more so about marketing. I currently have no system in place that would "distribute" a new English offering, so I won't even start with the content. That said, as both the MKS and the Sacred Symbols have their origin in the USA, I don't really deem it necessary to make this my priority. It would certainly be nice for guys like you, but until I have the necessary marketing systems in place I won't tackle the English side of it.

MBF: Are there any other areas you feel are significant that should be mentioned?

Helmar: Yes. Eat healthily. Drink plenty of clean water. Sleep well. Relax. Exercise. Strength, endurance and flexibility are key. Your body is your lowest barrier. If either something is wrong with it and/or you don't have sufficient energy to spare, you won't stand a chance of advancing in your spiritual or mental development. Always remember: Your body is your temple. Treat it accordingly, and the doors to both spirit and mind will be flung open wide in return. As above, so below.  
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SOFB February Update: Interviews, Courses Coming Soon //studentsoffranzbardon.com/blog/sofb-update Hello everyone, Simon here. 

Wanted to put out a quick update as to what is upcoming on SOFB and some other projects you might be interested in.

Interviews

Firstly we have some epic interviews coming very soon, we are expecting  Part 2 of Bob's interview hopefully in March. This was very generous as many people had multiple questions. So I beleive in Part 2 Bob will be answering over thrity questions in total. So thank you Bob, much apreciated. 

We also have a new interview with Helmar Rudolph. Well known for making popular Charles Haanels 'Master Key'. This interview instead of focusing on the Master Key system it now focuses on developments in the way Helmar is teaching people. How he has now incorporated a far more 'Hermetic' curriculum into the courses and how he has taken the quality of these courses to a new level. From what I have seen it is very impressive, this will be a great interview for those looking to build success in the real world alongide their practices. 

In addition to these two we have several other interviews being compiled now ready to come out in the spring and summer.  I hope these interviews continue to inspire everyone to get on with practice and feel like if they can do it then so can you. 

New Projects

I wanted to give you all notice on something I am putting together. It is outside the scope of strictly Franz Bardon material hence I will not be mentioning it too much here. Basically as I have practiced IIH, Martial Arts etc I have developed some of my own methods, methods I feel are fundamental to practice. These things I beleive to a certain degree become self evident after enough practice but life is short and having some things pointed out early on can help save years of frustrated practice. 

So I am in the process of compiling this all into courses. The first Free course will be ready soon and I want to guage interest. 

Here are some of the subjects to be covered:

Mind Body Fundamentals Courses

  • Concentration and Awareness from a Hermetic, Martial and Yogic perspective
  • Posture - the details and why they are important
  • Will Power and Nerve Force - How and why to train it.
  • Mental and Physical Stilness
  • Fascial Training and its relation to IIH
  • Fascial Training and its relation to internal connection in Martial Arts and Yoga
  • Indonesian Silat body development methods
  • Much much more to come. 
     

If any of this is of interest to you then sign up below to the mailing list, in a few weeks you will recive updates on the courses and how to sign up.


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Mailing List: Mind Body Fundamentals //studentsoffranzbardon.com/blog/mailing-list-mind-body-fundamentals Hello everyone. 

In order to keep you all up to date on the various projects that are being worked upon I am inviting you to sign up to the mailing list below.

I will do my best to only send you quality and welcome replies to these emails so that we can all get to know each other. 

The list will cover material specifc to the study of Franz Bardons books but also will delve into other areas connected to our work in IIH, hence the name Mind Body Fundamentals as  it provides a wider platform for useful material to be featured that can help us in our training though is not 'officially' part of the curriculum. 

Subjects such as: Meditation, Mindfulness, Dzogchen, Rainbow Body, Internal Arts of China, Internal Arts of Indonesia, Vajrayana, Internal Power, Nei Gung, Wai Gung, Qigong and much  more. 

 

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Interview with Wayne: Alchemy, Hermetics and the Martial Arts //studentsoffranzbardon.com/blog/interview-with-wayne-alchemy-hermetics-and-the-martial-arts Today we have Wayne talking with us about his journey in Hermetics. It is great to hear from practitioners with so much experience ...Wayne started IIH in 1977!

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SOFB: Welcome and thank you very much for agreeing to this interview. Please introduce yourself and let us know how you discovered the teachings of Franz Bardon.

Wayne: My real name is XXXX, in disguise as Wayne O’Boogie as I teach physics and Electronics in Secondary School in the UK so my Students don’t know who I am.  Anyone who knows me well will understand my pseudonym. I live in South Wales in the UK.

I was interested in Alchemy first (and still am).  I read that Basil Valentine had said to study the Quabbalah to understand alchemy and the book of abramelin stated qabalah was the highest art.  When I was a student in London (Studying Physics with Astrophysics at Queen Mary College, University of London) in the mid 1970s I went into an occult bookshop in South Kensington called “the Equinox” where I found a copy of The Key to the True Quabbalah by Franz Bardon.  This kept referring to IIH and it wasn’t long before I got that and the POME too. I started practising IIH in the Summer of 1977 after I finished my first year exams.  

I have studied, chi gung, dzogchen and I teach Wing Chun Kung Fu having studied with Sifu Shaun Rawcliffe and Master Ip Chun in Hong Kong.  I recommend anyone who studies IIH also practice a martial art; they complement each other perfectly.  
 

SOFB: If you had to design a curriculum to cover the contents of IIH and prepare a student for PME would you do anything differently to what is already in IIH. 
 

Wayne: There are definite parts that you need to master, besides the preliminary exs in chapters 1-2. For example invoking the elements, depth point meditations etc. Once these are mastered you can invoke the elements in all the places Bardon mentions, similarly for the depth point stuff.  This would make IIH look far less daunting as there aren’t that many fundamental practices that need to be mastered before they can be applied elsewhere. (Perhaps I’ll write a guide on this in the future). I would then list each exercise in order in each step and indicate clearly which ones need to be practised daily until that becomes superseded, for example replacing vacancy of mind with the Akasha trance.  A version of the mental wandering notes in POME could be included in IIH. A few uses for the personal depth point meditation (akasha trance) could be included in IIH from POME and TKTTTQ, although Rawn Clark gives some help on this in ABC (which I highly recommend as a guide to use as you proceed though IIH)
 

SOFB:The early steps 1-3 have a few sticking points like VOM, how clear a visualization should be and feeling the force of the vital force and elements. What tips can you give those currently struggling with these steps.
 

Wayne: Practice daily, regardless of how long as a few minutes will benefit you.  Try to incorporate things into your daily life I was not a good visualiser and had to see/hear/feel the real things first then remember them afterwards; if it’s cold outside I go and feel what it’s like with full attention, then  try to remember the feeling. Don’t underestimate making up a ritual for this. I’m currently building the qabalah into mine but simple ones work too, for example, draw a tv screen with your forefinger and say “I see an apple” - do this every time you visualise and when the link is made it becomes easier.  
 

SOFB: In my own journey I have found concentration to be key for many exercises. It was not that I could not do what was required it was just that I had not understood what is meant by quality and quantity. Could you talk about this subject and share how relevant or not it has been in your own journey to understand this concept.  
 

Wayne:The key to concentration for me was awareness of the present moment.  Try it now, put this article down and become totally aware of what’s going on inside you (including your mind) and around you……

How did you do? Did you lose it and become distracted?  How long did you manage? Ok, now you know what you’re up against do it again and make more effort.  I found doing this daily improved my concentration beyond belief. Development of concentration is a gradual process so don’t beat yourself up about it.

List what you want out of IIH, look at it everyday and modify/change it as necessary but keep your eye on your goals, this will make you want them more, also make do-able short term goals to reach the big ones.  This wanting is the quality. This is linked to actually doing the practises, you’ll make more of an effort to actually do them if you know your goals, this is how I understand “quantity”.
 

SOFB: At what point in the training (if any) did you realise that what was talked about by Franz Bardon is actually possible and not just a pleasant distraction?
 

Wayne: Once I worked on my Elemental Equilibrium things started working more consistently rather than haphazardly as it did previously. Development of clairvoyance gives you a huge realisation - and I’m not particularly gifted in this - it takes work but it is improving for me, it shows the methods work and that the universe truely is a wondrous place.
 

SOFB:How has the work of IIH impacted your life? 
 

Wayne: I feel it is a practice that can be incorporated into every aspect of daily life.  My dzogchen teacher taught me to look at practices like that. I practise while standing in the queue at the checkout in Tesco, while pretending to watch TV, on long journeys etc., as well as my specified practice times. As a teacher I created a calm atmosphere in my classroom using vital life force (VLF), simple finger rituals to dissolve confrontational situations etc.  I think of the practices in IIH as principles that can be used when the need arises as well as evolutionary tools.  

A pupil once asked me (for an English project) “What book has had the most influence on me,'' My reply was IIH and that resulted in a number of pupils reading it.  I never thought that would be the result!
 

SOFB: I see that you are also involved in alchemy.  For those of us not familiar can you explain why you got involved in alchemy and how if at all it relates to the work of IIH, PME and KTQ.

 

Wayne: I had been reading about alchemy since I was 10.  I have practised it since my teens after getting the “Alchemist’s Handbook” by Frater Albertus.  As a result I have a laboratory in my garage and still practice today. I tend to view everything as alchemy, including IIH; it’s an evolutionary process almost exactly adhering to solve-purify-coagula; just look at the steps, the early ones purify our body, soul and spirit individually (solve), the latter ones develop the presence of God within us and bring things all together; the human Philosophers’ Stone. Don’t overlook the laboratory work however, this illustrates, proves and illuminates the inner work.
 

SOFB: In addition to alchemy you are also a Martial Artist as many of us Bardonists appear to be. How has the IIH training impacted your Martial Arts? Has it inspired new methods approaches? Transformed what you had?
 

Wayne: Most definitely.  Wing Chun (which I also teach) gives you a particular set of tools and once you understand them, it's up to you to make them work for you, in the process it also transforms you; it develops focus, humility, persistence etc .  It's also a very economical system and I apply all these approaches to IIH. In return I find IIH develops qualities needed in Wing Chun such as internal energy, visualisation etc, a bit like a biofeedback loop. It considerably helps with astral equilibrium.  
 

COMMUNITY QUESTIONS

SOFB:I have received various questions in regard to the Chakra system, 3rd Eye, Kundalini etc. But before I ask those specific questions from members I would like to ask a few questions regarding these things and their factual realities.
 

I remember Rawn speaking about the electric and magnetic parts of the body and how at a certain point of development you can see this for yourself as fact so need for tables of correspondences in books. In the same way, IF the chakras exist are they not be visible to clairvoyant eyes in the same way?  
 

Also this quote from Franz Bardon in IIH always gets me thinking that the chakras are  simply a map to give mind a network to traverse ‘The muladhara chakra is an initiation diagram and corresponds to the first Tarot card. 

What are your thoughts on this?

Wayne: I have not done much work on the Chakras and I think Rawn says somewhere that these develop and unblock naturally as you go through the steps in IIH so I don’t really involve myself directly in them. 

SOFB: Energy related questions.

  1. What charging methods have you found to be most efficient in building up and retaining great amounts of energy. 
    In comparison to many methods of energy development in Taoist systems from China and Kejawen/Tenaga Dalem systems Indonesia how important is the development, building up of and storage of energy in the Franz Bardon system as opposed to just using resources when it is needed.
    For example, often the focus is upon filling lower dantien as precursor to microcosmic orbit or India/Tibet the working on successive chakras and the 3 channels.

 

Wayne: I have worked with the microcosmic orbit, Chi Gung and Tai Chi as well as some internal aspects of Wing Chun taught to me whilst in Hong Kong.  In all of these practices I see similarities with IIH and tend to revert to them. Once you learn to accumulate VLF you can do many things with it including fill the dantien and circulate it (although there are far more interesting and useful things to do with it).  Even chi gung masters get too full of chi (VLF) and use venting practices, I find it easier to get rid of it as Bardon suggests. Experiment, feel it and use that feeling as a guide if you feel tension and/or irritable etc, vent it.  
 

B) Do you believe in the existence of the Kundalini? If so have you awakened this power within yourself? (Note from SOFB: Here again the meaning of Kundalini in modern times to what Franz Bardon saw it as...the power behind the imagination is very different.

Wayne: I have had some feelings of awakening of Kundalini at times, I’ve just observed it with no attachment.  Once again, I’ve not sought this; IIH practice is enough for me. My feeling is that kundalini rising is a natural occurrence and happens when certain conditions are met like removing blockages in your energy system.  IIH does that as you progress through it. 
 

SOFB: Are you able to talk about any experience with the beings of the second book?
 

Wayne: I have consulted some beings on alchemy practices, using methods of evocation like those used by Bill Mistele.  I like to keep it simple and use a sort of dialogue; Vacancy of Mind is so important for this. I’m sorry but I can’t talk any more on this due to an oath of silence on what information was obtained.
 

SOFB: FInally is there anything you feel we should have covered that we have missed? Please feel free to share here. 
 

Wayne: Thank you for giving me the time and allowing me to speak on this.   If anyone has any other specific questions please get in touch

 

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Interview with Scott: Ayahuasca, Kundalini and Franz Bardons Hermetics //studentsoffranzbardon.com/blog/interview-with-scott-ayahuasca-kundalini-and-franz-bardons-hermetics Today we are very excited to present an interview from Scott Turner.

About Scott: I’m Scottish, naturalized American but living in Chile for 15 years where I lecture classes focused on television post-production in university. Married with 3 kids.

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SOFB: Firstly could I ask you to introduce yourself to the readers, please tell us a little about yourself and how you first discovered Franz Bardon's books.

Scott: I convinced my wife to let me go try this ayahuasca stuff with the local shaman. I ended up taking it very regularly during which my awareness of magic was awoken. I read hundreds of magic and religious books in that time trying to figure out what was going on. I had downloaded one of those huge archives of hundreds of books and I actually read a lot of them.  I kept seeing IIH but for some reason skipped over , until one day I opened it and read it all in one sitting more or less. I connected with it immediately and found it comprehensive and easily understandable but I wasn't prepared for some of the events which were to come as I delved into this magical knowledge.

SOFB: In every interview I like to ask some standard questions about sticking points found in IIH:

VOM: Franz Bardon said he expected step 1 to be completed inside of 2 weeks. Do you think this was realistic or the first of many tests of the students 'Will'.

Scott: Probably not a realistic timeline to master but it doesn’t mean you shouldn’t forge ahead and also return to it later to reconsider under the lens of more experience..  For example, true thought control can be quite difficult to achieve, as is true self knowledge. Perhaps sometimes we may think we have achieved both of these things down only to realize later that we didn’t really know what we were doing. 

VISUALIZATION: People tend to spend years here expecting IMAX like results, what is your advice for those on these Step 2 exercises. Did you follow the method from IIH or come up with your own approach?

Scott: I had success with most of the visualization exercises after a lot of practice, but for me it was Robert Bruces ‘Energy Work’ book.  Once I had mastered that I came back to Bardon with newfound enthusiasm and found it very easy. 

VITAL FORCE: Some people cannot feel the accumulation, what can they do to feel it more intensively? 

Scott: I’ve tried to teach this and id say 95% have difficulty feeling accumulation, although I think it's a difficulty in just believing it might be possible and also knowing what to look for as a sign that it's beginning to work.  Essentially its about the accumulation of the focus of consciousness. For me when i started, it felt like I was ‘just imagining’ things . I felt some kind of underlying force but i didn't know how to connect with it and this was after a couple of years of following various paths from Bardon to Regardie’s  middle pillar. I was having events occur but i didn't feel control over them. My big breakthrough came after an Amazonian kambo frog medicine ceremony in which the hindu-oriented shaman invoked Shiva and I suddenly felt a field of energy around me which is still with me. The next day i discovered the book ‘Energy Work’ by Robert Bruce which somehow dropped into my lap at the right time and which I consider to be the ‘Accumulation for Dummies’ guide. It’s a good supplementary detour for people have difficulty with Bardons techniques.  A week after I read that book and implemented the ideas, kundalini shot through my crown chakra in a spectacular mystical event which I could only compare to a DMT experience where I met Shiva and Sathya Sai Baba in some kind of temple with jewelled elephants. I just watched in amazement. This was a mind blowing event. Of course without that energetic initiation by the shaman that book might have just been another book, but with the newly found awareness of energy which was swirling round my body every word of the book seemed like an amazing revelation. Imagining energy accumulating in the body was suddenly an orgasmic experience.  Even now if i imagine energy accumulating in say my little finger, the sensation of bliss I get can only be compared to sexual bliss in my little finger. Its crazy.

So even though Bardon cautions against mixing paths or jumping ahead - and I took those cautions very very seriously at first because I made many costly and deeply frightening mistakes when I started -  my view now is you have to feel it out for yourself. You will find yourself being guided to the right places when it is time for you. 

I can confirm that mixing traditions can be very dangerous.  MY experiences with Amazonian shamanism came before i discovered Bardon. When the 2 collided,  I thought I was going completely nuts.

It was still worth it.

ELEMENTS: Getting in contact with what Rawn Clark called the principle of the element can be difficult as at that point the student has no real idea of what this and when it is make believe and when this goal is finally achieved. What are your thoughts here?

Scott: I don't think the goal is ever finally achieved.  This is an ongoing process of reconsideration and purification of consciousness which allows us to continually understand at a deeper level.  Again supplementary material can be of great value. The free book ‘Tattva Shuddi’ From Divine Life Society has excellent insights into the nature of the elements. I had great difficulty connecting with the earth element but was guided to greater understanding of it through studying tarot...specifically Jodorowsky's AMAZING book  ‘Way of the Tarot’ And William Grays work ‘Inner Traditions of Magic’. When  i started realizing that the materialization of divinity is really what the earth element is about I was able to visualize earth in a different way, and low and behold in Step 9 of IIH Bardon himself points in the same direction when he talks about infusing the elements with divine qualities.  So sure you can imagine earth as the physical material of earth and sand or whatever, but your missing the point. It should be visualized IMO as the manifestation of the omnipresence of God manifested in physical reality.

DEPTH POINT: This is perhaps a big development in the IIH where a big shift has to occur in order to understand the point Franz Bardon was trying to make. Can you comment on the significance of this exercise?

Scott:  THe ‘depth point’ is a way of verbalizing non physical reality and encourages the mind to drop below physical appearance.  In some ways this is analogous to another of Bardons ideas to imagine that there is a soul looking through the physical eyes. At first this is an imaginative practice, but the imagination is greatly misunderstood.  The imagination is a technological interface. This is made clear using ayahuasca. My experience is that you can only truly connect with it through long hours of meditation upon energy and elements. Whereas my initial experiences with meditation were sad and unproductive, that all changed after that energetic initiation. It was easy to meditate for 4 hours because it felt so incredibly good physically. It was 4 hours of bliss and i never wanted it to stop and then of course I noticed layers of awareness peeling away showing me the way to higher consciousness. You have to seriously engage with meditation to advance in my opinion. Even using medicines like ayahuasca, while they show you the way, you don't really have the understanding how to achieve the same states unless you involve yourself in prolonged meditation.

SOFB: Also can you comment on the difference between the spatial center of a thing and the depth point of a thing. 

Scott:  Bardons comments on Archimedes became amazing to me because I found that being able to focus on any point became a gateway into other dimensions as the layers of physical illusion slipped away. THIS was the mystery of the 4th dimension revealed. I suppose in some way I am lucky because a lot of this was not the result of careful consideration and meditation upon Bardon, but because of all the Amazonian medicine I had done opening up my awareness wider than I thought possible. But also there are various layers of consciousness you have to move through to get to that stage in a controlled meaningful and non frightening way. Starting by ruminating on what a depth point might mean to you might be the place to start. Start by allowing your mind to move back and forth between spacial/physical and depth, however you imagine it.  Ponder the differences. Don't try and imagine what Bardon meant, try to use your intuition to discover where your own mind leads you with that idea.

In its own way this is a form of meditation because your mind is focused completely on this play between spatial and depth. 

GESTURE: Not much is ever heard about the application of Gesture training to create our own finger rituals. Has this been a useful part of your training and if so how have you applied these rituals in your training and daily life.

Scott: MY development has run parallel with IIH but not completely.  I played around with gestures at one point but wasn't really connecting. So I moved on.  My focus has really been on the exploration of internal energy and I have only recently begun exploring the projection of energy from the interior to the exterior. Also, I have avoided more ritualistic applications because I didn't want to make any mistakes.  I made many mistakes as a result of being elementally imbalanced when i started. These were VERY dangerous mistakes. Ritual implies an objective or a magical intention and I have taken a more neutral meditative approach generally to avoid trouble. Plus I don’t really have any intentions other than knowledge. 

SOFB: Though of course working through IIH has to have had an enormous impact upon who you are, did this have any overt impact upon on your working and public life and how others saw you?

Scott: Take something as simple as the mirror of the soul which asks us to change specific aspects of who we are - To truly consider negative aspects of who we are and reveal them to light. Choose only one aspect, says Bardon, and work on that. That has had profound effects on the way I perceive myself and also upon my marriage and family. The question seems to be  whether or not you can truly accept what you perceive as darkness within yourself. Often what happens is our view of what is darkness is wrong. The things we view as darkness are often not the problem. The problem is our projection of negativity onto the behaviour or quality and from where does that emerge. Why are we projecting negativity? This is a key issue in becoming elementally balanced. I work in an art school where probably 99% of the staff has taken ayahuasca, so my public changes were very accepted.

SOFB: We asked earlier about sticking points that some have trouble with but in your rise through IIH did you also come across steps that caused you real trouble? If so, how did you get past this and move on?

Scott: THe only steps which really matter at first are Pore breathing and Inhalation of elements. If you can’t do this nothing else works.  I found it difficult to visualize at first until that energetic initiation, but there are very good supplementary materials available too. Mantak Chia's ‘Bone Marrow Nei Kung’ is in many ways the same practice on steroids and was very helpful as was Robert Bruce,s ‘Energy Work’.  Granted some of these have a different approach. For example, Robert Bruce focuses on chakras which at first glance might seem quite a different practice. But the chakras are elemental repositories and meditation upon them also produces elemental balance. I found chakras to be much easier to work with at first and eventually augmented my chakra meditations with pore breathing and a more Bardonian approach.  Another good supplemental practice is Nidra Yoga which also moves consciousness around the body which approximates the movement of consciousness suggested by Bardon. Again Divine Life Society have the definitive free book on this entitled ‘Nidra Yoga’. My view is that if you have difficulty, seek more information elsewhere. It is abundant.

SOFB: Now let us move onto the subject Ayahuasca as I know from some of your posts that this has been a part of your journey. Can you tell us how you came to get involved with it and how it impacted your path? From the little I know from your website it sounds like an amazing experience

Scott: I have lived in Chile for 15 years.  I heard about ayahuasca and was fascinated by the stories but was married with kids and didn’t see myself getting to Peru.  I had NO interest in magic or consciousness at the time. I was an atheist who never meditated and liked to drink beer . However, by chance, I discovered a shaman 3 miles from my house. I started doing ceremonies twice a month for a couple of years.  The first message ayahuasca gave me was ‘MAGIC EXISTS’ . At the time that was mind blowing, but i hadn’t seen anything yet. Of course ayahuasca is only 1 plant in an ecosystem of over 4000 medicinal amazonian plants many of them equal or more powerful than ayahuasca.  MY shaman was also a sanangero, a specialist in the super powerful master plant chiric sanango and I participated in dietas of chiric sanango in conjunction with ayahuasca. This as well as many other plant dietas changed my life forever. Several times during ceremonies I had what could be described as kundalini experiences, including once when my shaman opened my chakras by singing icaros into them. After a couple of years I started to investigate ‘what is magic?’  because clearly it existed. One day I stumbled upon and read IIH. After i read it i went out into the garden and thought I would try moving my consciousness into a leaf to see what happened. I guess because my consciousness was already so wide open from all those ceremonies I made pretty much instant contact with an elemental. It kind of freaked me out . Later that week having dinner with my mother I accidentally evoked a demon. I was just sitting chatting and suddenly became aware of a horned female character identifying itself as Astarte. This was a terrifying experience and many others were to follow which I learned may have corresponded to what Robert Bruce calls ‘chakra strobing’ - basically having so much blocked energy in a chakra that when it is released trans dimensional communication is possible.  This is classic imbalance of the elements. 

Something had changed and this began maybe 2 years of uncontrolled spontaneous demonic evocations and other less frightening mystical experiences.  This is what can happen without elemental balance. What seemed to happen is that when I focused my mind on anything I would instantly move through the depth point into other spiritual dimensions.  After more study and consultations with other shamans I began a process of plant dietas which assisted the elemental balance a lot. I also did various kambo ceremonies and I think it was the 6th one where I had the energetic breakthrough.  After that and a couple of years of deep meditation I achieved control over evocation so that it generally only happens intentionally through meditation. Ayahuasca is an extremely powerful substance which gets a lot of press but its the other plants which are really more the teacher plants.  Plants like huaira caspi, ajos sacha, uchu sanango, bobinsana, punga amarilla, camalonga...the list goes on and on. Many of these plants specifically teach you how to use energy, how to remove entities, how to create healing recipes and how to do shamanic magic using song and symbols. 

SOFB: The entities you experience through Ayahuasca and/or D.M.T how do you feel these relate to the view of reality we are given via IIH, PME and KTQ. Where would these entities fit into this picture?

Scott: I've thought a lot about this over the years.  MY view is that KTQ and shamanic icaros are basically interfaces into the same power.    KTQ focuses on sound and color and musical vibrational correspondences. So do shamanic icaros and these icaros and wisdom are usually in my experience only shared by the plant if you are occupying a space of pure consciousness.  Well the healing knoweldge is shared at that level. If your vibration is lower, you get other kinds of knowledge which are dangerous. For example how to enchant and seduce. I haven't done much work trying to integrate these. Each is already so staggeringly powerful.  I confess though that there is something so incredibly beautiful about the shamanic path. It is not structured and organised like KTQ but the plants speak to us and guide us and often in beautiful symbols and lead us to new levels of consciousness. For example, one tree started showing me where the chakras exists in trees and how to connect with them.  Eventually it is not necessary to take the plants. They speak to us still when we meditate and can guide us into full realization much as Bardon envisions his course of teaching will do.

Maybe someone will say these plant spirits are lowly vegetable kingdom spirits, but the ayahuma tree is also found in India and is present at all the temples of Shiva. I know im not the only person to have had an overwhelming Shiva experience taking this plant medicine.  

Generally taking a tree we can sometimes meet the tree spirit itself but that golden pillar of light which is its spirit is often surrounded by protective spirits who test you to see if you deserve to be in this golden hallowed place. If you are lucky enough to advance and pass the tests the tree seems to become a kind of gateway and you can meet any spirit from any dimension you care to, although often the tree itself maintains a dominant voice in your mind.  The voice is often strict and demanding, but the level of knowledge they have to impart is astounding...overwhelming...sometimes too much lol.

Ayahuasca ceremonies are known for their evocations of spirits.  The shaman uses protective incense or tobacco smoke to seal a circle around the participants. The light is lowered. Invocations/Icaros are incanted.   Of course unlike PME, the user might have less control over where exactly the journey will go. The discipline and control of magic is very attractive and I think Rawn Clark has pointed out that controlling consciousness through meditation leads to much greater perceivable depths. This is difficult for ayahuasca or dmt or mescaline users to believe, but there are similarities.

Its fascinating that Bardon pinpoints which elements are suppressed by which substances,  Is he right? I'm not sure. My view of ayahuasca and the medicine ecosystem is that it is designed to balance the elements when used correctly. The plants specifically tell you exactly how to do it. It is not left to chance.

Sometimes I see the Ayahuasca ecosystem as the Key to the True Consciousness.

SOFB: Now you offer some courses on your website, could these be said to be the fruit of your experiences with Ayascha and Hermetics? Could you tell us more about these as they look perfect for beginning students of IIH.

Yes I would say that was true.  Especially the first class Reprogram your Matrix which in some ways was based on IIH.  As I moved further into meditation I was more and more pulled in the tantric direction and my last class Tactics of Tantra goes into that in some detail.  

A lot of online offerings I've noticed offer exercises and some insight and are very good but with my course I really put a lot of effort into finding textual references to my own experiences.  So if i say such and such a technique might be useful based on my experience , I usually back it up with reference to give it more context into whatever tradition might be relevant. I put quite a lot of effort into all of them and i’m not just gliding by on my accumulated knowledge.

SOFB: Mental Travel and Franz Bardons specific approach to Astral travel. How significant were these skills in your development. What I mean here is was your worldview impacted at all after completing these steps in what you experience upon being successful in the training?

Scott: They didn't have much of an impact until later.  I found myself astral projecting spontaneously during the  period before sleep. The first time it happened a spirit came to me and told me to repeat a mantra 3 times -’ hail Mary, mother of grace, I'm ready to fly’.  I did it and was projected out of the house. Through the roof. At one point I would just close my eyes and already be in another dimension. But these experiences were uncontrolled and tapered off as I gained energetic control. My guess this was due to kundalini awakening which i didn't really  acknowledge until I received shaktipat earlier this year. Eventually, I actually ended up doing a similar technique to Bardon’s. Imagine a copy of myself in a mirror then blow energy into it and I am out of body. But generally I don't formally try to astral project much. I just meditate and i find myself meeting spirits pretty fast.  Often dead people and the like wander into awareness but I tend to avoid them and move to higher vibrations using the elements as a guide to where I am at vibrationally. 

SOFB: How important is it to do the Astral Travel training of Step 9 in the way Franz Bardon explains rather then creating some sort of Astral double or illusory body without the Mental/Astal separation before integration? As much of what is read about all seems to point to practitioners taking the later approach and not the former challenging approach of Bardon.

Scott: Bardon is the expert on this clearly. I haven’t thought about it so much and dont have the granularity of awareness that he had.  No shame in admitting that. I tend to work intuitively with the information that comes to guide me.

SOFB: PME and KTQ.

What have these books brought to your practice? We know these are very private but would appreciate anything you can share. 

Scott: I’ve kind of avoided PME just because I can’t be bothered with all the ceremony and because I can evoke pretty much any spirit I want through meditation. However, its true sometimes i work ceremonially using just the imagination which is something I think Bardon mentions and certainly Wlliam Gray mentions this in his VERY excellent books. While I might draw a circle of light imaginatively, I am way more interested in feeling what i call the viscosity of consciousness, which is becoming super aware of the elemental qualities as we alchemize thoughts from earth through to akasha. When done successfully the metaphor of a lotus allows one to be conscious of all these planes simultaneously. It has a quality of such perfectly beautiful transparency which is beyond imagination while exhibiting these subtle changes in ‘viscosity’. At that level infusing the elements with the qualities of God is about the most wonderful experience to be had. 

This of course ties into KTQ which is basically completely based on infusing consciousness with the qualities of God.  I’ve done quite a bit of it but to be honest have found myself out of my depth a few times and had to pull back very carefully. You might think you can handle invoking the first 5-10 letters but infusing your consciousness with this much infinity can be dangerous.  You have to move slowly as Bardon advises.

As a side note on dangers, William Gray has an exercise which involves  using the elemental shapes of the tarot - swords, wands, cups, pentacles - as metaphors for thought and then working on infusing each thought with these metaphors and then maybe changing the form of them, for example making the swords (thoughts) larger.  It’s another form of infusing consciousness with divinity. However, you MUST be elementally balanced. I didn’t even try this exercise out formally but as i read it my mind just started ruminating out of curiosity. If you've ever seen mickey mouse in the sorcerer's apprentice, this is what started happening in my mind. Basically an infinite loop was created where all my thoughts were extending out into infinity and without the comfort of knowing ‘the trip will be over soon’.  Some information in some books can lead to madness if you are not prepared. Luckily I had countermeasures available and lived to warn other curious souls. I was lucky. This was way more scary than any demon I have ever met. Be very careful and honest about what you are really capable of.

SOFB: Did the way you saw IIH change after moving onto these books? In that it was preparing you for something?

Sure, but there's a transition period where you wonder ‘how much power do I actually need’ or ‘omg i really am in God’s workshop’.  Transitioning the mind to the reality of infinite creative possibilities can be overwhelming. This is not a game. Karma is real. Tread with great care and with the right intention to do good.

SOFB: Lastly is there anything else you would like to add that you feel is important for students of IIH.

No one talks about this but I think its an important topic.  Sexuality is skipped in most books but it is where, for many people, imbalances are rife.  I advocate occasionally using sexuality as the object of meditation. THere are a couple of reasons for this.  Firstly sexuality is by its nature fire and most people have no issues allowing their mind to ruminate over sexual content. People tell me ‘I can’t visualize a ball of energy’ but they have no issues visualizing a bikini model for extended periods of time. It's a matter of becoming more conscious.  This makes extended meditation and the generation and accumulation of energy very easy and a lot of fun. There is alot of talk in new age circles of tantric sex or energy orgasms. I have experienced this but in my view this should be a non physical non masturbatory approach. It is a contemplation of and complete acceptance of the shadow.

Of course people like Lon Milo Duquette point to different interpretations of sexual energy for example in his book on Sex Magic, Tantra and Tarot he encourages ritualistic sex to exhuation while focusing on tarot images and the sharing of sexual fluids.  Crowley also has some amazing meditations in the Libers which are worth checking out in this vein. I’m not sure any of this is necessary. I wonder about the implications, but im sure its fun.

Its common to say that tantra is not about sex, but if you actually read the tantras you will find plenty of sexual content.  Sexuality is the primary manifestation of divinity within us and we throw shade upon it and avoid it. This lower octave of divinity provides a direct passage into higher consciousness when it is treated as such.

This does have its dangers too and its possible to become obsessive and not release the sexual object and move to higher vibrations. Dangers include direct confrontation with demonic and vampiric energies.  This doesn’t happen so often, but it’s worth mentioning as extreme countermeasures are sometimes necessary. These kinds of spirits are extremely dangerous and can totally corrupt and take over your thought stream. Go wisely.  

 

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Interview with the Blue Magician: IIH, Astrology and Magical Apprenticeship //studentsoffranzbardon.com/blog/interview-with-the-blue-magician-iih-astrology-and-magical-apprenticeship Today we have Leslie aka the Blue Magician who has generously agreed to an interview. More information on Leslie, his blog and his mentorship program can be found at the end of the interview. If you enjoy this interview or have questions for Leslie please let us know in the comments below the post.
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SOFB: Welcome Leslie to Students of Franz Bardon. Could you please introduce yourself and how you came to be in contact with the books of Franz Bardon.

Leslie: Hello, I am Leslie, also known as “Blue Magician” on the web. I was born in South Germany in 1983 and have lived in Berlin and Vancouver. Around my puberty (Saturn opposition) I started getting interested in occult subjects like astral projection. The following years could mostly be described as a dabbling phase, up until 7 years later when I encountered the Kybalion, a text widely regarded as one of the seminal works of what I would call modern Hermetics. Shortly after, I started casting my first spells and got my hands on Franz Bardon’s first book. It was at that time that I found Rawn’s book and web site “A Bardon Companion”.
 

SOFB: In every interview I like to ask some standard questions about sticking points found in IIH:

VOM: Franz Bardon said he expected step 1 to be completed inside of 2 weeks. Do you think this was realistic or the first of many tests of the students 'Will'. Opinions vary greatly here.

Leslie: Every student is different. The practices of Step 1 are a good start, but they are also one of many tests (or training courses) of the student’s independence. Bardon himself says that the VOM practice has to be deepened throughout the later stages of practice, so clearly he didn’t expect the student to achieve a 100% result (by whatever definition) here. It is my firm opinion that If you adhere to the practice then at some point you will resolve to move on to later steps. For a lot of students it might be years until they get mature enough to get to that point however, not two weeks. An experienced coach can help guide the student through this.

 

VISUALIZATION: People tend to spend years here expecting IMAX like results, what is your advice for those on these Step 2 exercises. Did you follow the method from IIH or come up with your own approach?

Leslie: Both. I followed the method, but I also supplied it with other approaches. Bardon provides hints but clearly expects the reader to come up with their own solutions. I feel it bears repeating over and over that Bardon’s course is not rote learning and practice, but the formation of the student’s own practice and system. I’d also like to note that astral sight is very different from physical eyesight for the large majority of people, so often is the case your expectations will mess with your progress.

VITAL FORCE:Some cannot feel it, or spend years stuck on this step. What can they do in order to get some mastery over  the Vital Force.

Leslie: Stop overthinking. One very easy way to get in touch with the Vital Energy is to relax just a little bit, close your eyes and feel the position of, say, your right hand. You cannot see it, yet you know where it is, right? And then stop thinking and just feel the animating life force inside your hand. What sustains it? You will also note that the blood is a highly potent physical carrier medium of that astral life force.
 

ELEMENTS: Getting in contact with what Rawn Clark called the principle of the element can be difficult as at that point the student has no real idea of what this is real, when it is make believe and when this goal is finally achieved. What are your thoughts here?
 

Leslie: Similar to what I said before regarding VOM and Visualization, it is part of the training to work your way through this. Meditation will help you deepen your connection to the element and slowly, bit by bit, learn what it means to be in touch with an astral or mental thing like an element.

There’s also another approach here going through the physical plane. What physical manifestations of the Fire element, for example, can you find in everyday life? Make these the objects of your meditation focus.
 

Depth Point: How significant is this stage of the training  and what tips can you provide?
 

Leslie: It is very significant, as it helps with establishing the Tiphareth self of the Magician in their mundane consciousness. I learned it mostly through other means, as I found Bardon’s instructions to be highly confusing back then (although he is spot on if you know what he is referring to).

GESTURE: Not much is ever heard about the application of Gesture training to create our own finger rituals. Has this been a useful part of your training and if so how have you applied these rituals in your training and daily life.

Leslie: I don’t use it, as I prefer to direct the elemental energies by other means, namely through my Now moment presence, my connection to my Divine Self and through the Beings of the Planes and Elements. It’s a good technique though, so I would encourage everyone to meditate on whether they want to learn it or not.
 

SOFB: How big a role does Astrology have in your practice ? Do you think it is important for students to have a good understanding of their chart before beginning the practice?

Leslie: Astrology plays a very big role in my magical practice and mundane life. 7 years after I discovered Bardon’s books, I learned to read charts and use Astrology for many things. It’s a good idea to work with the birth chart as early as possible, but I went a different route. In my own Magical Apprenticeship program, one of the first things I do with a new student is to work through their birth chart to find out how they tick on the astral plane.

SOFB: If people are interested in learning Astrology but have no idea how to begin, where would suggest they start?

Leslie: One of the first books I worked with was Rosicrucian Max Steindl’s book “Simplified Scientific Astrology”, in which you learn how to calculate and draw your own chart. It’s freely available as a PDF online.

SOFB: If you could go back in time and begin IIH again what, if anything, would you do differently?

Leslie: Listen to all of Eckhart Tolle’s talks first and practice his teachings.

SOFB: What was the most challenging part of the IIH training for you personally?

Leslie: Just like in my profession, the most challenging part for me was overcoming “impostor syndrome”, where you think you’re never good enough and not a genuine student. It’s a lesson in self-love and objectivity.

SOFB: You have answered a lot of commonly asked questions on your youtube channel, what do you get asked most about? What do you feel is the biggest challenge people are facing in their IIH training?

Leslie: A big blockage for many people is overthinking. “Is this the right book for me”, “Am I doing this exercise right” etc. Just practice, observe what happens and try to not listen to your mind so much. Oh yes, and expect to stay with it for a couple of decades, no kidding.

SOFB: Mental Travel and Franz Bardons specific approach to Astral travel. How significant were these skills in your development. What I mean here is was your worldview impacted at all after completing these steps in what you experience upon being successful in the training?

Leslie: Good question. Mental and astral travel a part of my core practices. Through exploration of these planes, we can plan our next manifestations on the physical as well as influence them. A lot of the benefits of PME can be reaped as well just through astra-mental travel.

One interesting thing I have to note is that my preconceptions of astral travel have never matched what it looks and feels like in practice to me. There are many layers of astral projection, and usually it only gets discussed as this VR-like vivid experience, which diminishes the variety of the whole experience and confuses people because their mind gets loaded with what it’s supposed to be like.

My world view has become very different since the mental and astral planes have become a more conscious part of myself. Spirits come visiting me regularly, a lot like physical visitors. It’s beautiful and opens up a big part of what we all really are.

SOFB: PME and KTQ.

What have these books brought to your practice? We know these are very private but would appreciate anything you can share. 

Leslie: PME is and has been very important to me. The exploration of the spheres, especially in conjunction with Astrology, is something the student must not skip past. It is an enjoyable and fruitful practice.

I have worked with KTQ in some ways but not much. It could be said that KTQ is very similar to the Gesture rituals. It’s a language, or system, of energy, that allows you to apply your energies in a very refined manner. But if you think the practice and charging of the Gesture rituals takes a lot of time and work, then KTQ will take lots and lots more of that.

SOFB: I see from your blog that you have several projects and services you are offering including Magical Apprenticeship. Could explain a little more about each of them and where people can find further information. 

Leslie: I’d like to focus on my Magical Apprenticeship service, as I consider it the most important and effective of all for students of Bardon and other occult systems. Bardon wrote his books because he felt that many students do not have the means to work with a genuine teacher. He did have an inner circle of students however, and many medieval depictions of that magical arts feature a master and apprentice. It’s a beautiful and very effective tradition, but it seems to have largely died out nowadays. More or less genuine teachers seem to prefer selling books or cookie-cutter courses, instead of providing 1:1 coaching and guidance tailored towards the student. While these things have their place, I firmly believe that a highly tailored coaching service provides the most value, as every student is different.

In my Magical Apprenticeship program, I connect with every student on a very intimate level. I use Astrology and Clairvoyance to “feel them out”, and work with them to set goals and then approach those goals with confidence and as effectively as possible. I function as supervisor, guide and coach, and my ultimate goal for every student is to bring out their conscious Magician self, stripping away all the confusion caused by mental illusions, addictions and karma. This will make them a powerful creator, and will bit by bit enable them to take on Bardon’s course in its entirety.

SOFB: Lastly is there anything else that you feel should be discussed or that you feel does not get enough attention?

Leslie: Yes, I’d like to talk about some things.

The first one is the sensationalist attitude many Bardon commentators nowadays like to employ, like giving your videos clickbait titles like “Five things you’re doing wrong in your VOM practice (you would never guess #4!)”. Of course with a very serious looking guy on the cover image that looks like he’s shooting fire rays out of his fingers for breakfast. It’s my personal opinion that this is not in the spirit of Bardon’s tradition. Just like with physical food, I would encourage every student to look for a nutritious source of mental nourishment instead of consuming junk food.

The second one is that many students are fascinated by physical manifestations, like lighting a candle. I can see the appeal of that, but in my experience stuff like that is either a by-product of astra-mental work or something that you will have to put a lot of time and work into to experience it, time and work that might be better spent in advancing elsewhere. Again, don’t fall for the junk food your mind and ego might crave.

These two issues have the same root, which is immaturity.

SOFB: Many thanks Leslie please remind us all again where we can find you on the web and where readers can follow up with questions to you.

Leslie: I’d like to thank you in turn for providing my with this opportunity to spread the word about what I’m doing, and I’d also like to say thank you to everyone reading this.

You can find my blog with a copious amount of public writings at http://bluemagician.vc/

I also created a Facebook page that you can follow where I post links to everything I do: https://www.facebook.com/thebluemagician/

If you have any questions, feel free to send me a message on Facebook or via email to thesilverstarlight@fastmail.com

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Physical Training and Franz Bardons Hermetics //studentsoffranzbardon.com/blog/physical-training-and-franz-bardons-hermetics Hello everyone it's Simon here with a post about physical training. I thought this was timely as many of our recent interviews have talked about the importance of strength and the training of the fascia.

I mentioned in this earlier post how seemingly the same action can be performed with the joints or with the support or the fascia. This is simplistic as of course every action includes the fascia but it does not mean every action recruits the fascia as an aid to support the frame. 

Now this might all sound like jargon let me explain. 

IIH talks about balance. But I do not see much balance in the way physical body is developed compared to the Astral and Mental. Hence why I am always bringing up training methods that include or focus on the physical. Here I am not saying Bardon did not cover it, as he did, he told us to do exercises, I am saying the depth to which this training is taken is far less than that of the Astal and Mental aspects....why not be epic in each?

As Bob and Yogic Engineering mentioned and alluded to in their interviews, physical strength has a direct relationship to vitality and vital force. So it makes sense to incorporate vital force with our strength training. It also makes sense to get in touch with, feel and decompress the fascia as it is the substance through which vital force runs through and the substance through which external force can...if trained... flow through to maintain our structure. 

You need only look at the life of Alexander Zass to see the benefit of training fascia and the connective tissue. 

Now I want to get some feedback. I am thinking of putting out a video series on tendon and fascia training. Methods taken from my training in various disciplines, how you link that to hermetics I will give some clues but as I am not a hermetics teacher I will stick to showing physical methods and let you find the rest. So if interested let me know in the comments. 



Also another way of getting the benefit, though it seems commerical is via Primal Stress that I put on the 'Start Here' page. The whole program is plug and play allowing you to learn methods from Systema, Yoga, Bagua, Xingyi all inside of one program. You will see my review on the fron page as it really is good and teaches things it took years to get from traditional teachers. 

Now above is one of my teachers performing some standard body methods from a well known Bagua/Xingyi lineage in Taiwan. Easy to copy...BUT... with no understanding of downward force into the ground, upward force into the Kwa (groin/hip space), no awarness of the opposing forces in the arms and through the back it all means very little and is nothing but a nice little dance. So the reason I keep harping on about getting this kind of training is that once you get it you can train with teachers of old systems and failrly quickly pick up what is going on inside the body. 

When you add in a load on the frame - think partner or weights, add in vital force, you then start to buid quality rather than just quantity of vital force.  

Disclaimer - I am no teacher of IIH so these are my musings as I travel the path. 

To vote for a tendon and fascia course leave a comment. 

To get Primal Stress go here

Also you might want to check out the epic QnA that Sifu Mark Rasmus did for us. He mentions physical training in this amongst many other subjects.  He is also going to do us a Kettlebell video for use with fascia training. See his post here.


I shall leave you with an interview with a teacher I met thanks to Alex Kozma. Master He is one of very few teachers I know of who not only has the inner skills but who is doing his upmost best to transmit them to his students. Listen and watch his moves, think about what we have talked about with fascia. 

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Sifu Mark Rasmus: QnA for Students of Franz Bardon FB Group //studentsoffranzbardon.com/blog/sifu-mark-rasmus-qna-for-students-of-franz-bardon-fb-group Recently I was speaking with Sifu Mark Rasmus and asked if he would be willing to do a question and answer session in order to cover some of the questions the group has in regard to practice. He very generously agreed and said send the questions over and he will get a video done for us. I was expecting this to take at least a few weeks due to the amount of and length of questions we had. Well only a day later I recieved notice the video was up and ready.

The video is posted below, the first video. But I also wanted to post some associated videos that link to some of the topics.

I hope you enjoy this QnA, please leave a comment below and let Sifu Mark know what you think or if you have any other questions regarding the answers. (You can also comment in the FB group).

The cover photo is of me (on the right) and Sifu Mark.  I included this as I wanted to show I am a big supporter of Sifu Mark as I have actually met and trained with him multiple times where he has been very generous in what he has shared and in looking after me in Thailand.  He really does just want you to improve hence he shares so much.

To Train with him visit his site here. Or his Vimeo channel here.

Below we have older videos from Sifu Marks you tube channel that I think are well worth watching as they link to some of the topics covered above.

 

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Interview with Bob: The Journey of IIH, PME and KTQ //studentsoffranzbardon.com/blog/interview-with-bob-the-journey-of-iih-pme-and-ktq Today we are very excited to present an interview from ‘Bob’. He wants to retain some privacy so his first name Bob is all he is willing to share. But he has shared a great deal in the interview itself, in fact I think some of what is written here could give people who have been stuck for years on IIH the motivation and trust in themselves to move forward. 

If you enjoy this and our other interviews  or have questions then please take the time to let us know via the comments and or suport us via our 'Must Read Books' page or our 'Subscribestar' page.

 


SOFB: Firstly could I ask you to introduce yourself to the readers, please tell us a little about yourself and how you first discovered Franz Bardon's books.

Bob: I made the usual rounds of traditional Chinese martial arts (specifically Yang style tai chi and Clyman’s nei gung from Temple Style, bagua, and hsing yi), took in a few Buddhist empowerments over the years (most notably the Emei Mountain Sudden Enlightenment School, Pure Land, the Medicine Buddha, etc.) and studied with a Taoist practitioner, but none of it really stuck. I was good at it and didn’t really care. I even tried the Golden Dawn material for awhile. It wasn’t until I ran into Bardon’s material that things clicked.

As for Bardon’s material I ran into Mark Rasmus at a seminar, I thought he was sincere and I went to visit him in Thailand. Over the next three years I worked through the first and third book. The second book is not a big focus of mine, although I have been working more with the planets lately.

SOFB: In every interview I like to ask some standard questions about sticking points found in IIH:

VOM: Franz Bardon said he expected step 1 to be completed inside of 2 weeks. Do you think this was realistic or the first of many tests of the students 'Will'.

Bob: The real issue with this is that learning any of the material in the book from another person is much easier than learning it from a book. Perhaps it has something to do with learning via transmission, but in general it shouldn’t take more than an afternoon to learn how to perform the techniques involved. It can take up to a month to be able to perform the initial focusing exercises for approximately 5 minutes, which seems to be the “magic” point where it becomes useful. More is better in general, however anything over 20 minutes doesn’t seem to make much of a difference.

VISUALIZATION: People tend to spend years here expecting IMAX like results, what is your advice for those on these Step 2 exercises. Did you follow the method from IIH or come up with your own approach?

Bob: The auto-suggestion exercises are fantastic for changing bad habits. I’ve taught these to a variety of people and everyone reports good results. It’s also a technique anyone can use. The key thing is to make sure you use a positive command. It must be something you want to do. Choose one thing to work on and run a string of beads directly upon waking and directly before going to sleep. The whole process should take about ten minutes. Do this for 30 days straight. For a really ingrained habit it might take 100 days. Don’t stress when you fail in the beginning. Just let it go and keep practicing. Over time this will happen less and less often. Then you won’t think about it anymore and it becomes a natural behavior.

I found the sensory gate exercises to be fairly straight forward. Perhaps this is because my sense of smell is the most developed of my senses and having an earth correspondence it makes everything else easier. I don’t really have any advice for this. But I had already spent years working on a five element Taoist system and running the orbits from both Clyman and Morris’ material. Visualizing light, the sensation of energy, etc were all old hat.

The pore breathing and posture exercises are two critical components of the first book.

Pore breathing is critical as this is how you will engage with all of the other energies (elemental, astral, mental, Akasha and even non-dual light) until such a time as you can open the energy center above your head and stream it directly down into the body. 

You do not “visualize” fire energy so much as you breathe it in to the body while sensing its heat, seeing its red color, and hearing its Sch sound as an example. As another example, when you breath astral energy in time slows, you feel that soft sensation and some people even hear sounds like chimes. But you are still breathing it into and out of the pores into the center of the body and out again via the hands/pores/orifices/etc. 

A key component to always perform is to program what you want the energy to be BEFORE you begin pore breathing. This is especially important with vital energy. And is even more important when it comes to the letters of the third book. Otherwise, the energy defaults to your background belief settings and tends to make those stronger. So sick people stay sick, weak people stay weak, manic people stay manic, etc. Spend a moment making the energy what you want it to be. Some schools refer to this as the secret smile technique. It is important and mostly speed bumped in the text.

The key to being a magician is in bending reality to your will. This includes yourself.

The asana exercise is Bardon’s only contribution to training the structure of the body in his book. This is a very lengthy subject and not well presented in a written format. The posture holding exercises of the Taoist internal martial arts are typical of these. These can be performed via movement and frequently use resistance as well. They can build and/or integrate the soft tissue of the body depending upon what is done. The short answer is the better you can stack your structure the more efficiently your body will move energy.

VITAL FORCE: Some people cannot feel the accumulation, what can they do to feel it more intensively? 

Bob: Rasmus has an exercise called building the ball. In this you pore breath vital energy in and exhale from the palms forming a ball between the hands. You then play with the ball.

What a student is looking to do is to feel the boundary layer of the ball between their hands. Rasmus has a very good video on Vimeo on how to do this. I highly recommend this. Most of the better systems out there have an exercise like this. I learned it originally years ago from a Taoist system. It can take up to ten hours of practice to do this, but most people can do it much quicker. I’ve rarely seen it take more than a week of consistent practice to master.

SOFB: Also seeing that you are a person who likes to use weights etc for your physical health, have you found ways to integrate the two?

Bob: Aside from Jesus allergy and a strange predilection for weird diets, the next biggest obstacle to achievement in this work for most practitioners is the pathological aversion to the concept that being physically strong makes your energy strong. 

Anyone who has spent time around physically strong people quickly realizes they have strong energy as well. The quickest way to become physically strong is to use barbells. Martin Faulks demonstrating a 200kg deadlift is a good example. It is also the quickest way to develop strong energy. Most of the astral exercises are about learning to manipulate energy, but in and of themselves do little to increase strength at it.

Additionally, the basic barbell movements also build the tendon network in the body very effectively. And the stronger that is, the stronger energy moves in the body. It’s not complicated.

So, I use weightlifting to build tissue and maintain strength. The tendon training exercises teach you how to manipulate the electric, and magnetic, currents and further integrate the tissue.

Being fat on the other hand slows energy down. So, an ideal magician would be both strong and lean. Without steroids, most people will put on fat with muscle. You then diet the fat off. You can become very strong this way. Lama Gant, for example, could deadlift 525pounds/238kg at a bodyweight of 123pounds/56kg.

On a practical basis, if you can squat 1.5 times your bodyweight and deadlift twice your bodyweight you are good to go. Additionally, once you’ve gotten to this point, you don’t need to maintain the muscle mass required to do it for life. The ligaments/tendons stick around long after you lose the muscle due to inactivity/age. As does the strength of your energy.

Keep in mind that the bodyweight you gain doing this is directly related to your caloric intake. If you eat a lot you get bigger and stronger faster. If you don’t, it takes longer but you are smaller. The lightweight lifers in powerlifting and Olympic weightlifting are superhumanly strong. If you ever meet some of these people, you will find their energy is also amazingly strong as well.

While a lot of classical systems didn’t have access to barbells, almost all of them held objects while in posture, used heavy weighted weapons, wore weighted vests, etc. They were simply using resistance to increase their ability to generate and move energy. 

On a basic level your ability to focus and the size/integration of your ligaments and tendons determines how strong your energy is. If you want to be really strong at the physical generation of energy, you need both. 

This gets confusing as most magicians are lazy and weak willed. As a result, they use spirit infused magic to have an entity throw the appropriate switches within their body allowing them to run more of something than they can on their own. Aside from being very physically destructive over time this also results in a very fucked up kind of dependence upon the entity. It also explains a lot of the questionable decision making in this community as well. Maintain your sovereignty. None of these things are giving you anything you can’t do on your own. And none of them are doing it for free. Franz Bardon himself was an excellent cautionary tale in this regard. 

ELEMENTS: Getting in contact with what Rawn Clark called the principle of the element can be difficult as at that point the student has no real idea of what this and when it is make believe and when this goal is finally achieved. What are your thoughts here?

Bob: Here is a fundamental problem that has no good solution. 

The easiest way to get around this is to practice the elements from day one as Kabbalah using three point focus (sound, sensation and color). The problem with this is that without being initiated into this, or having prior experience, the letters are incredibly harsh. I’ve had people without these things go directly into the elements as Kabbalah and describe scenarios where working with water as the letter M initially felt like someone stabbing them in the liver with a freezing dagger. It takes a lot of balls to keep going under circumstances like that. 

Bardon’s books are in the order they are so someone can do it without a teacher. In this regard, doing the planets first gives you a good preparation and many potential internal guides to walk you through the letters.

Without this, just going through the elements is very slow. The only advice I can give is to pay attention to the sensation as much as possible. Make sure your pore breathing and posture are well developed. Understand that you train the physical component via a strongly audible vocalization with the tendons engaged and your attention focused on the lower abdomen. Astral is a whisper with the tendons engaged and your attention focused on the solar plexus. Mental is silent with a focus on the center of the head.

DEPTH POINT: This is perhaps a big development in the IIH where a big shift has to occur in order to understand the point Franz Bardon was trying to make. Can you comment on the significance of this exercise?

Bob: Very important. The depth point is crucial as this is how an earth body type conducts out of body projection. People who are very grounded generally cannot do this from the head until they master the depth point exercise using the solar plexus.

The easiest way to do this is to imagine you are shrinking and collapsing down into your solar plexus. Down, down, down. Faster and faster. Until you are screaming downward. Jumping out of an airplane in freefall is slow in comparison. At the end of it I usually crash land on what appears to be a small hill. Around the base of this are all of my prior incarnations. In front of me is a flat wall carved into the side of a cave. I generate a huge screen of Akasha at the front of the wall. Then I fly into the Akasha. 

At this point I am in the Akasha and project to wherever I am going to. I go deeper and deeper into the Akasha. I go until all of my senses are blocked out. Then and only then when I am completely wreathed in Akasha, I call on the letter, planets, wherever of where I want to go. At first this will appear as a flickering light. It gets stronger and stronger as I key into the vibratory, or energetic, state of the thing. Then I slam into it. 

Keep in mind this takes you to the astral level representation of a thing.

Projecting out of the head is more a matter of separating my mental body from my astral-mental matrix and floating off to where I want to go. The rope suspension method works well here.

SOFB: Can you comment on the difference between the spatial center of a thing and the depth point of a thing. 

The spatial center is just that. The middle of something. You perceive the world from its viewpoint. I learned how to do this with a clay Buddhist medallion. You can also get some background information on its construction. Animals I haven’t worked with much. Human beings you can ride like a meat suit when you get good at this, but this is a severe violation of their freewill and not advisable. Also, their energy, emotions and memories backflow into you as well. And most people are a filthy mess. As one of my teachers once said, “it is what we do not know about others that allows us to work with them.” Caveat emptor. 

The depth point is an altered state of experiencing something generally at the astral level. Here trees have consciousness, the laws of physics bend and shit starts to get weird. Depending upon where you interact things can be very similar to the here and now or much less so. You can also branch off into the mental and Akashic levels of something quickly as well. Maintaining your focus here is important.

GESTURE: Not much is ever heard about the application of Gesture training to create our own finger rituals. Has this been a useful part of your training and if so how have you applied these rituals in your training and daily life.

Bob: Very important. Anything you need to be able to do quickly and on the fly is best conducted with this. You can also link this to sigil magic as well, but I’m not going to get into that here as that is a rather involved process.

The easiest way to do this is to project into the Akasha. While there complete a ritual to do whatever it is you would normally do that you want associated with the gesture. Make the gesture. Do this a couple of times. Use one gesture for turning it on and one gesture to turn it off. Leave the Akasha. Then practice whatever it is you programed the gesture to do without all of the intermediate steps.

I have one gesture on call for fah jing. That way I can do this whenever I need to with lining up, getting ready, etc. This is a pretty common application in the Chinese martial arts community where these old codgers use a gesture they generated 30 years ago to fah jing with. Its why they never get any better and you can’t figure out how they are doing it. It’s also why they are essentially stealing from their students and are assholes in general. If the guy isn’t willing to break things down into component steps and teach you how to do it tell him to fuck off and spend your money elsewhere.

I’ve got another for single pointed focus. Since I tend to get a little ADD at times it allows me to get more done.

Keep in mind potential “gestures” cover a lot of ground. And not all of these require a physical movement that is visible using the hands.

The downside to gestures is also worth talking about. If you use a gesture to do something you don’t better at it by just using the gesture. In essence whatever level of ability you had going into the Akasha to generate it is where you are stuck. To get better at something, you still need to practice all of your component parts in sequence. Then you go back into the Akasha and upgrade the gesture again.

Also, other people with enough sensitivity can copy your gestures and use them. So, keep this to yourself.

SOFB: Though of course working through IIH has to have had an enormous impact upon who you are, did this have any overt impact upon on your working and public life and how others saw you?

Bob: In general, these kinds of practices make you more of whatever you are. If you are a good person underneath it all things tend to work out. If you have any personality defects, it tends to amplify that. All that said, misbehavior is an issue particularly when you start to come into your own power. Everyone does it. Good people get over it. I still cringe thinking about some of the things that happened. 

It made the latter part of my military career possible. I deployed for the last time in my mid-forties. Now, I wasn’t the fastest guy out there, but I could still pull my own weight. Without these practices it simply wouldn’t have happened.

Shortly after I went through kundalini awakening it caused a lot of problems. I was young and my physical energy was very strong. This polarized the reaction of other people toward me. Part of the problem is that the Chinese systems I trained in only taught me what amounts to the electric pathway in Hermetics. After learning how to manipulate the magnetic force a lot of problems, including personality related, resolved themselves. 

All of this greatly complicated my relationship with people of power (general officers, politicians, high level civilian officials, etc.). At the end of the day, they know at some level you are not their servant. And ultimately, they do not like this at all. This is not a negative thing either. Powerful people don’t spend lots of time with peers. They are surrounded by people helping them achieve their goals. And if you are not doing that, your being there is a distraction. If they view you as a threat, it’s much worse. To this day I can’t get into most night clubs by myself as I tend to set the bouncers off.

When you generate a certain amount of physical/astral/mental energy it tends to set people off a little even subconsciously, but they can deal with that. Once you begin to generate Akasha and non-dual light, unless people are family members or very close friends they generally start to avoid you. I’ve lost a lot of friends this way. It pretty much screws you out of any long term employment working for others. At the end, you have to work for yourself. 

Part of this is that the energy you produce changes people when they are around you. Akasha in general represents the chaotic power of the void. That primordial chaos out of which duality sprang. People who have this are quite literally capable of anything. They can bypass most egregores at will. And most people really aren’t into this. And this is assuming you aren’t doing this intentionally. If you are, you are an asshole. But if you aren’t, you are weirding them out and they don’t like it. Most people get divorced when going through this as well. 

And, if the practitioner is male and straight, their wife usually goes through some kind of energetic development as well. Women generally absorb large amounts of energy when an empowered man has sex with them. In this regard, women can achieve development just by regularly having sex with a powerfully developed man.

Also, people who spend large amounts of time around you gradually get exposed to otherworldly things. And when it happens often enough, they can’t cognitively dissonance their way out of it. At that point they become afraid of you. And that sucks. It sucks really hard. I still speak with one of my best friends I had as a young man almost monthly. I haven’t been to his new house in the three years he moved. 

SOFB: We asked earlier about sticking points that some have trouble with but in your rise through IIH did you also come across steps that caused you real trouble? If so, how did you get past this and move on?

Not really. The main thing is that a lot of these skills take an extended period of practice to master. The clairvoyance based skills can take years by themselves depending upon personal constitution. Which is why once you learn how to practice a given skill you move on to the next chapter while continuing to practice that skill. The whole thing of not moving on until you master something is a formula for failure if you are working by yourself. Also, the book is remarkably misorganized.

The more I find out about Bardon himself points in the direction of his being mostly a ritual/evocation style practitioner who wrote an internal power book. And that makes sense. Every picture I’ve seen of the guy makes him look like a sack of potatoes. And the chain smoking would have limited internal power after a certain point anyway. My guess is that he wrote the book while under the influence of a spirit entity via mediumship/channeling.

Even a lot of his Kabbalah points in the direction of mental with some astral level effects. Which you can pull off without much body training assuming a spirit entity is throwing the switches. It’s not like he was using this to physically manifest fire or to run 100km at a time.

SOFB: We have had some questions from the community in regard to the energetic model in IIH compared to methods shown for example in Yogic systems or Taoist Cultivation systems.  So we see in both Yogic and Taoist a refining of the energy and a slow rise either through central channel and chakras or from dantien, mid and upper via mco. Do you have any experience of these other systems and how those methods compare energetically (for example Kundalini) to what is occuring in IIH.

Bob: That’s a good question.

On a fundamental level one of the big takeaways from going through Kundalini is the ability to generate Akasha. I’m not sure you can generate, or harness, Akasha without it. 

If you look at icons of certain Buddhist saints, Fudo Myo is popular, you will see a thin band of purple in the energetic field around the saint. That’s Akasha. The problem is that none of the Asian systems bother to explain what that means and how to use it. Which creates a lot of problems as you have any number of people walking around with the ability to fundamentally warp reality and no real control over it. It also turns most people into spirit magnets and this results in their being manipulated a lot. These people can be remarkably unstable.

A couple of ways exist to go through the Kundalini. You can condense and circulate vital force via the orbits until it explodes up the central channel/spine, you can keep slamming vital force up against your crown until it breaks open (mostly yogic), a teacher can open it via transmission (i.e. Shaktipat) or you can frequently establish equilibrium using a four element system (i.e. Bardon).

But because of this, most of these systems do not result in your ability to manipulate the elements with any strength as they are working with vital force and Akasha predominantly. Fine for enlightenment. Crappy for working magic.

The first three tend to happen fairly quickly and often explosively. Using equilibrium on the other hand is a fairly slow process whereby you keep practicing and then one day you notice this weird purple stuff creeping into your elemental work.

Kundalini awakening started in my case at the age of 13. I was from a not particularly religious family in south Texas. It took another decade to figure out what was going on. I met my Taoist teacher in my late 20’s, read Glenn Morris’ books and I was off to the races.

The main issue is that the equilibrium method lacks a certain density to the development of physical energy that the orbits do provide. It comes with many fewer side effects than the traditional yogic methods tend to come with. I also think it is much better for longevity and health over the long term. The yogic method of up and out is depleting over the long term in my experience. People become emaciated. And the orbits tend to damage the metabolism/thyroid over time as well from what I’ve seen. Guys get fat.

In all, the equilibrium method is one of the main contributions of Bardon’s work to esoteric development.

SOFB: Mental Travel and Franz Bardons specific approach to Astral travel. How significant were these skills in your development. What I mean here is was your worldview impacted at all after completing these steps in what you experience upon being successful in the training?

Bob: Pretty important. Due to being very physically grounded projection out of the head using the mental body was something that took way too much effort and rarely happened. Until I learned Bardon’s system. For people in this position you must learn to project via the depth point exercise at the solar plexus before you will develop any real ability to mentally project at will. Perhaps this has something to do with elevating the energy in the body via the energy centers. I really don’t know. I have seen this progression solve the problem for people who had spent years trying to project from the head with no success. And keep in mind I had already been through the Kundalini using the orbits and still couldn’t project from the head for the most part.

As for my worldview, it didn’t change that much. I’d already been through the Kundalini and experienced immersion into non-dual light. What it did was give me a much greater ability to explore the Kabballistic realms and to engage the denizens of the other layers of reality on my terms versus theirs. It was basically the difference between always playing defense and going on the offensive. Or for those who have issues with that language it’s the difference between being a passive participant and an active one.

Evocation takes an outsized level of importance in Western magical practice for the same reason. Since many people lack the internal development, or natural ability, to travel to these places they bring that world to them instead. It is the primary strength of the ritual systems.

SOFB: How important is it to do the Astral Travel training of Step 9 in the way Franz Bardon explains rather then creating some sort of Astral double or illusory body without the Mental/Astal separation before integration? As much of what is read about all seems to point to practitioners taking the later approach and not the former challenging approach of Bardon.

Bob: The fact that this is left out of the book despite the many fantasy elements the translator injection to what Bardon originally wrote is completely baffling to me. And to people who have not gotten to this point write this down.

 

Being able to separate your astral body allows you to control the time of your death.

 

If you can only travel via the mental body, when it comes time to die, you will suffer just the same way everyone else does. And that is the real value of having control over your astral body as a separate entity. If you gained nothing else from all of your training, that by itself would make all of the work worth it.

The training is very uncomfortable and potentially dangerous. The warnings to be in a locked room by yourself without an open window that a fly can come in through are crucial. You can die practicing this. You are going to die at some point without it. Best to gain control of this process in advance.

SOFB: PME and KTQ.

What have these books brought to your practice? We know these are very private but would appreciate anything you can share. 

Bob: I’m much more of a Kabbalist than an evoker. In fact, I worked my way through KTQ before I did anything with PME. My main work with PME centered around developing resistance to the influence of the entities contained therein.

KTQ is much more useful on a tactical level as it is done via an internal power model and can be engaged on the fly without a big ritual buildup. It is also free of the influence of the entities in the third book. Applying it strategically is much more difficult as an entity is not there to do the work for you. You have to fully form the volts being put together and fully direct it. With PME the entity is working for you 24/7 for as long as they are tasked. Ultimately you are the power source either way, but in one you are on your own and the other you get worked over.

Some things for readers to consider. A true demonic entity will shrug off Akasha by itself as they are largely associated with Saturn. However, the E-N letter combination can be weaponized to energetically sterilize a space and get rid of these creatures. Likewise, the E-U combination can be used as well under the right situations.

Breaking with an entity whose school you have formally joined, as in one of the 360 Earth Heads, is very uncomfortable. It can be done, but you basically have to destroy everything you built with them (ritual implements, books written, et al) and formally release them. Then you run large amounts of Akasha through the energy center above the head for a few months. It will also be physically painful at times.

The E-N letter combination can be used to chase them off for awhile as the connection fades. Performing the compound moves in weightlifting while generating the E-N letter combination greater increases your power to use the combination. The reason for this is that once you make a pact with them, they bond with the energy center above your head and then control your access to Akasha and non-dual light. And yes, that is just as bad an idea as that sounds. It is much better to pay them off with ritual offerings with a clear understanding that the good stuff is not on the table.

As far as the letters are concerned, keep in mind that it is very important to program what you are looking for with the characteristics of the letter (Akashic, mental, astral and physical) before you start to work with them. It takes at least 10 hours of continual practice with a since letter to be able to generate that energy in a stable manner. Also, you need to be clear as to what level of reality you are engaging the letter as this radically changes what you encounter.

SOFB: Did the way you saw IIH change after moving onto these books? In that it was preparing you for something?

Bob: A lot of the exercises made much more sense. For example, the automatic writing stuff. FYI, that is how you get the seal for entities you encounter. Everything in there has a reason for being there. It may just be the case that you don’t need it depending upon what you are doing.

Also, all of the exercises are building blocks that reinforce one another. So, it is okay to skip ahead as long as you keep practicing the earlier exercises to the point of mastery. And you’ll want to revisit things you’ve previously mastered from time to time to amp up their performance.

SOFB: Lastly is there anything else you would like to add that you feel is important for students of IIH.

Bob: If you are interested in learning more about evocation and its central role in Western magic traditionally speaking check out the Glitch Bottle podcast. But always keep in mind you don’t get anything for free and these things all have a price.

Always vette and evaluate carefully anything you learn from the great beyond. 

Make the gods envy you.

View your life as a multi-episode cinematic movie extravaganza. And every time you are watching Netflix ask yourself, “Would someone want to watch me doing this or find this interesting?”

Then get to work.

 

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Introduction


I am extremely happy to introduce Tristan Dorling to the blog as in addition to my practice of Franz Bardon's system I find Advanced Yoga Practices (AYP) is an extremely helpful resource which provides practices directly applicable to our work in Franz Bardon's hermetics. 

As you read this interview you may have several questions about where you can learn more about the practices and methods mentioned. I have provided links to everything at the end of the interview so please be sure to visit Tristan’s site and read about the retreats and teacher training he provides. To provide an example of how useful I find these teachings, I live in Asia with easy access to many retreats in India and Thailand but despite this I still plan on doing my next teacher training via Tristan and AYP, I think after reading this interview you will understand why.
 

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 Tristan Dorling  e-RYT 500, YACEP, AYP TTC Leader

 

Tristan first began the practice of yoga in 1985 at school when he was 16 years old. At the age of 19 he travelled to the Himalayas to live in a Mahayana Buddhist monastery. This was really his first introduction to the higher teachings and to the spiritual life. He had his first awakening experience a year later after a meditation retreat in a Buddhist cave monastery in Thailand and experienced the awakening of kundalini the following year in 1991.

    Over the next 19 years he continued to study Buddhist meditation and yoga and travelled to Nepal, Sri Lanka and especially India as often as possible to continue the study and practice of yoga in various ashrams and monasteries. He started teaching yoga and meditation in 2006. He qualified as a yoga teacher from the Sivananda Yoga Vedanta ashram in Kerala, India.

    Some of the most influential teachers in his life have been Amritanandamayi (Amma), Ajhan Amaro, Ajahn Succito, Maharaj, Tapkay Lama and Yogani. The yoga he teaches is integral, incorporating all eight limbs of yoga and his focus is as much about spiritual purification, and self-realization as about the physical aspects of yoga.

 

 

AYP TTC Retreat experience video

 


SOFB: Having come from a Nyingma background myself I am interested to hear how far you went within the Buddhist teachings. Was it strictly Mahayana or did you venture into Vajrayana or any Tummo like exercises?

Tristan:  When I was 19 and 20 years old, I spent 6-months living in a Mahayana Buddhist monastery in Nepal. I was given very basic training in some of the preliminary practices at that time. The practices included things like prostrations, chanting, service to the community etc. I was not taught meditation at that time, which was the practice that I was most interested in. I had already read the life story of the Buddha, and read about how he had sat down to meditate under a tree and became enlightened from this, so I believed that meditation was the real key to self-realization and enlightenment. 

I had heard that they would teach Westerners meditation in Thailand, so the next time I had the chance to travel, I went there. I managed to find a monastery in Chiang Mai where they would teach me and I learned basic breathing meditation from the monks. I was also taught inquiry practices such as inquiry into mental attachments and reflections on the nature of formlessness. After 5-days of practice in a cave monastery in the North East of the country, I entered a state of samadhi which lasted for 3-days. During those three days I was unaware of where I was, of who I was, or of what I was doing and was only aware of bliss and light. Gradually after those three days, I returned to a contracted state of being, but was able to remember the bliss and beauty of the awakened state. 
 

After returning to Europe I was taught more of the Theravada practices in various Buddhist monasteries, including Loving Kindness practice (Metta Bhavana), inquiry into the different states of phenomenal existence (Vipassana), and Mindfulness (Sati) practices. Many years later I learned of some of the Mahayana completion stage practices such as the Buddha visualisations and meditations on infinite space. I never studied Vajrayana or Tummo, because my life had gone in a different direction.
 

SOFB: You are now a teacher on the AYP Yoga Teacher Training. What attracted you to the AYP approach and how does it differ from other approaches you have experienced?
 

Tristan:  At around the age of 27 I travelled to India where I ended up living in a yoga ashram. It was the ashram of Amma, who is famous for travelling the world and giving darshan by hugging people. When I was there I was taught some of the yoga practices, including meditation using a mantra. We also had Karma yoga practices and Bhakti yoga practices. I returned to the ashram many times over the next 10 years to continue with my practices and also did many solo retreats. I would find a hut or room by the beach or in the mountains to practice in, and spend many hours each day practising in silence. Most of the time I was engaged in sitting practices or Self-inquiry practice. At the time I was going through a powerful kundalini awakening with rising ecstasy in the body and many experiences were manifesting. At one point I woke up in a room thinking that there was a powerful earthquake, but in fact, it was just my own body vibrating. At another point I believed I was levitating and could see the floor several feet below me. At other times I entered states of bliss that were so strong that I was unable to do anything for hours at a time. I became able to transition between worlds and to see angels and higher beings. 

 

Eventually I felt that I needed to know what was happening and why it was happening. I wanted to know if I was on the right path towards liberation, or simply being distracted by energetic experiences.  Unfortunately, the people around me were not able to explain it. So that is when I discovered AYP and Yogani. The AYP writings provide a lot of explanation about the whole process of awakening and about why certain energetic transformations and experiences take place. It also puts them into the bigger picture of enlightenment.  

 

I was attracted to the AYP approach, partly because of the way it explains clearly everything that happens during the process of spiritual awakening and why it happens. But I also liked the fact that it includes many aspects of yoga, building a system that is much greater than the sum of its parts. The practices are effective and powerful, but also safe. By the time I discovered the work that Yogani was doing in putting the AYP system together, I was already aware of what it meant to build an effective system of yoga practices. I felt that the AYP system covered everything that anyone could need to make the journey all the way home. It differed from what I had been doing before, which was much more simple, but not as efficient or effective, often involving many hours of practice a day, sometimes as many as ten.  
 

SOFB: AYP was what really clarified for me  the idea that we are our nervous system, though I had a vague understanding through books like the Master Key which explained the nervous systems significance in our practice, it was AYP that allowed me to begin to work with the nervous system directly while getting almost immediate feedback from the practice. Can you introduce us to this concept, it’s importance in Yoga and perhaps lead up to the role of the Spinal Pranyama.

 

Tristan: Most of the changes that take place during the process of spiritual awakening happen in the subtle nervous system, in other words in the system of energy centres (chakras) and channels (nadis) connecting them. And so, most yogic practices are designed to purify and transform this subtle neurobiology. This is the case for asanas, pranayama, mudras, bandhas, samyama and so on. It is even the case for meditation practice of any kind and especially for meditation using a mantra. Mantras have specific vibrations and are designed to affect and purify different aspects of the subtle neurobiology. At the same time, one of the aspects of prana, is that it actually rises up in the body in response to stillness and inner silence. So, in fact, any form of meditation which leads to inner silence (samadhi), will have the effect of purifying the system of chakras and nadis. 
 

Essentially the process of awakening cannot reach fulfillment until the subtle neurobiology is purified. Until then, blockages in different parts and layers of the subtle body, will prevent us from seeing clearly who we really are and experiencing liberation. This is something that I did not understand when I started out on the path. I thought that enlightenment was essentially a mental process and the body was simply a vehicle for moving around on the earth, but otherwise unnecessary. 
 

So, one of the reasons that yoga is so powerful as a vehicle for enlightenment is because of the practices that are designed specifically to purify the subtle nervous system. Spinal Breathing Pranayama is one of these practices. It involves moving the attention up and down the spinal nerve between the root chakra (perineum) and the ajna chakra (third eye). This channel is called Sushumna in Sanskrit and is the central and most important channel in the subtle nervous system. By working directly inside this channel, we are able to purify not only the channel itself, but also the first 6 chakras which are connected to it, and all of the other energy channels in the body, as these are connected to it as well. This is the main practice that I used to enter states of ecstasy.  
 

SOFB: Within Franz Bardons Hermetics one of the things we begin in step 1 and continue throughout our training is that of Vacancy of Mind - VOM. I see this similarity in AYP, the difference being that AYP expands upon this idea and how it relates to your expression in the world. Can you talk about the cultivation of stillness? About what comes from it like the bliss and the idea that prana comes out of this stillness?
 

Tristan: Stillness is something that we begin to experience at a certain stage on the path. It is actually always there, it is just that we are usually too busy noticing other things such as thoughts, or objects of the senses. But as the mind begins to calm down through spiritual practices, we begin to notice that even when things are present in the mind, such as thoughts or feelings, or sensations, they always exist within and are surrounded by stillness and silence. In fact the stillness and silence of the mind are vast, like and ocean and actual mental objects and objects of the senses, simply come and go within this silence. Gradually the stillness and silence move more towards the foreground of our experience and the objects of the senses and mental objects move more towards the background. Inner silence becomes our bedrock and natural way of functioning in the world. In yoga this is referred to as sahaja samadhi or savikalpa samadhi and the experience of it is bliss which deepens into the experience of unconditional love. 
 

I mentioned above that prana rises up to meet stillness. In Tantra this is described as Shakti rising up to meet Shiva, where Shakti is prana, or everything that moves in the universe, and Siva is stillness or inner silence. In the analogy, Shiva and Shakti merge and this is the process of enlightenment, the merging of ecstasy and bliss. So, it is not really that prana comes out of stillness, but really that the two are inseparable and are different aspects of one thing. This has been variously described as “stillness in action”, or “emptiness dancing”. Even in the absolute stillness and silence at the centre of our being, prana still exists in its latent, or unmanifest form. 
 

SOFB: Now the next question I think will be of great interest to anyone doing self work and especially those studying Franz Bardons Hermetics and the work of the soul mirrors.

Samyama is something that I think can sometimes happen almost naturally when we go deep enough in our meditation. Often being something we know we touched but cannot quite describe….. Samyama as presented via AYP I think is extremely clear and well described. Can you introduce our readers to it and how it relates to self development and the practice of the other limbs? Is inner silence the only prerequisite?
 

Tristan: Samyama is certainly a natural outcome of meditation and is experienced at a certain stage by everyone with an effective spiritual practice. 
 

In AYP, Samyama is an actual practice, involving the use of nine or more words, called “sutras” which are touched upon one at a time, and released into stillness. We touch upon the faint feeling of the word and then release it immediately into silence, for about 15 seconds. Each word is touched upon twice and the whole practice takes about 10 minutes in its basic form. A more advanced form of the practice takes about 20 minutes, involving more repetitions. 
 

The practice works by incorporating the last three limbs of yoga: Dharana, dhyana and samadhi. With dharana we bring our attention to something, dhyana is a merging with the object and samadhi is transcendence, going beyond the object into stillness and silence. 
 

This process of samyama, of releasing mental objects automatically into stillness, is a natural outcome of our spiritual path. As inner silence becomes more and more established, we find that when thoughts and emotions do arise, there is much less of a tendency to get attached to them, or to feed them with more thoughts and emotions and we find that we naturally let them go into stillness. Things arise and they dissolve and the stillness and silence remain. This is the natural process of samyama. 
 

All of the eight limbs of yoga are connected, so as things change with the last three limbs, this will also affect the other 5 limbs. It will affect the yamas and niyamas, because when things are automatically being released into silence, our conduct automatically becomes pure. If the intention to harm someone arises, it is simply released in silence and we do not act on it. At the same time, there is an energy that comes up within us, that is motivated by compassion and love. So, we find ourselves naturally being compelled to do actions that will help others in the world. 
 

The process of samyama is also very relevant for the process of self-development. The idea of self-development in yoga is really the process of moving from a state where we are identified with things that are not actually who we really are (the body and objects of the mind), to a state where we know who we really are. When we are identified with the body and with objects of the mind, such as thoughts, ideas, memories and feelings, it can be very hard to shift from that position. Even if we can understand intellectually that we are not a collection of temporary objects in the mind, but are rather the awareness that underlies them all, the attachments can be so strong, that we cannot move beyond these identifications. But as the process of samyama begins to arise, we find that when these attachments with objects of the mind arise, they are automatically released into stillness. Things that kept us attached to a false sense of self for years, simply begin to fall away, and no longer have any power. They lose their “sticky” quality. In their place we begin to notice that we are simply aware, before, during and after anything arises in the mind. We come to identify ourselves with this awareness, which is the witness. This process of the cultivation of the witness is a very powerful, if not the most powerful stage in the process of Self-realization. 
 

SOFB: Your Kundalini awakening occurred way back in 1991. Currently in 2019 we are lucky that there is a lot of information available regarding Kundalini and its awakening but I imagine back in 1991 this was not the case. I have several questions regarding this:
 

  1. Firstly for the benefit of those not quite sure can you describe what Kundalini and what it’s awakening actually is. 

  2. Back in 1991 were you aware of what was happening to you? Did you get assistance from your teacher?

  3. We hear varying reports of how life changing this experience is, for some it hits them like a rocket, I had a friend whose toes turned black and had to do a lot of balancing to calm things down...while others seem to glide through an awakening with no apparent change. 

  4. What impact did it have on your life?
     

Tristan: Kundalini is a process of energetic awakening that occurs in the subtle neurobiology. Normally, prana is concentrated in the pelvic region. But when kundalini awakens, this prana rises up through the body, transforming all of the chakras and energy channels. The whole process takes many years or even decades to complete. Gradually the body is brought into a state of permanent ecstatic-bliss. 
 

When I first experienced the awakening of kundalini, the notion was hardly known about in the West. There were a few books available on the subject, but essentially it was presented as a myth, that some people in India believed in, but which was essentially untrue. It was considered to be a superstition.
 

When I was about 22 years old, I was lying on my bed one day in England and felt a “spark” of energy rise up my spine and then explode in the centre of my head. It was a very beautiful and ecstatic experience. After that, I began to experience various energetic symptoms. One of the most noticeable initially was that my body would shake when I was calm and still. I did not know what was happening to me, but I had a strong sense that whatever it was, was supposed to happen, and that I would be fine. I felt that this was something spiritual and not something that I should go to a doctor about. 
 

I did not actually ask my teachers about it. In the Buddhist Theravada tradition, there is no recognition of kundalini as far as I know, and I had a feeling that they would not be able to help. My Mahayana Buddhist teacher was in Nepal, and communication in the Himalayas at that time was very difficult. At the same time, I was not suffering, so I did not see any need to understand the process more than I did. At that time, it was simply an interesting side-effect of my spiritual practices. 
 

The effect of kundalini depends to a large extent on the state of purification of the subtle neurobiology at the time of the awakening. If the subtle nervous system is fairly purified, then it will easily be able to handle the higher flows of prana that come with an awakening. But if the subtle nervous system is in an impure state, then the chakras and nadis will not be able to accommodate the energy and that is when people can experience difficulties. The important thing is to have an effective spiritual practice, which will purify the subtle nervous system so that when kundalini awakens, it can flow easily through the chakras and nadis. 
 

Kundalini changes your life completely. Put simply, it changes every aspect of your life and the way that you see the world. This has been my experience. It is not only that the body comes into a state of permanent ecstasy. The awakening of the higher chakras brings about the experience of spiritual intuition, bliss, divine love and unity. So kundalini plays a major part in the whole process of liberation.
 

SOFB: For those planning to begin Yoga or is currently studying/self studying yoga who are looking to go deeper into their practice what kind of practices and schedule would you recommend? 
 

Tristan: The AYP practices involve beginning with 20 minutes of meditation twice a day, followed by a few minutes of rest. Once this routine has been established, 10 minutes of Spinal Breathing Pranayama can be added to the beginning of each sitting. This can then be enhanced further by adding mudras and bandhas to pranayama practice and adding a short asana routine before pranayama. How to build up a practice is described in detail in the AYP lessons.
 

The most important thing is to make meditation the core of any yoga practice. Meditation develops the stability and equanimity that we need to be able to manage the journey over the long term. The highs and lows of ecstasy can be daunting at times, unless we have a core of inner silence to fall back on. 

The other important thing is to do only what is manageable. If we take on a practice that is over-ambitious and which we simply will not have time for, then it won’t work. So doing something that takes less time, but which we can actually do each day, is more valuable. Yoga is a bit like learning to play a musical instrument. If we practice only once a week, we will not make much progress. But if we practice every day, we will.  
 

SOFB: Where do you see the future of Yoga? Will it become further commercialised or will we see a return to the inner practices?
 

Tristan: It is hard to say. It is tempting to think that the modern commercialisation of asana practice in the West is just a fashion trend, and will pass like all fashion trends do. But at the same time, more and more people are moving beyond just a weekly asana practice and are learning about the deeper more spiritual practices of yoga, such as meditation, pranayama and Self-inquiry (Jnana Yoga). So the commercialised side of yoga can actually serve as a way for people to learn about the higher teachings and practices, even if it often happens indirectly. At the same time of course, the higher teachings are becoming increasingly accessible, because of the internet, and interest in the full-scope teachings of yoga is growing. So, I am quietly optimistic that we will see a sea-change in human spiritual consciousness over the next few decades. 

 

SOFB: Finally for those who would like to learn more about your courses and retreats can you provide your new website and means of contact as well as what they can expect to learn on one of your courses.
 

Tristan: The website for the retreats and teacher training courses that I run is here.
 

On retreats we have several practice sessions each day where we do asana practice followed by Spinal Breathing, Deep Meditation and Samyama. We also have satsang sessions where teachings on yoga are given and there is a chance to ask questions about spiritual practice. 
 

The AYP Yoga Teacher Training Courses (TTC’s) are 29-day residential courses, registered with the Yoga Alliance. They are designed to train teachers to teach a full-scope yoga practice including asana, Spinal Breathing Pranayama, Deep Meditation, and mudras and bandhas. We also practice Samyama and Self-inquiry on the TTC’s. They are run as retreats, where we practice three-times a day on top of the training necessary to become a teacher. So they are a great opportunity to deepen personal practice, as well as become qualified as a teacher. 

 


If you would like to learn more about AYP then please click here. On the left of the screen you will see the lessons listed all for free public access. 

Here are some of the lessons connected to subjects discussed in the interview.

Spinal Breathing

Deep Meditation

Samyama
 

If you would like to take part in Tristan’s next AYP Teacher Training which is a 200 Hour course giving you Yoga Alliance recognition then please click here
 

More about Tristan

 


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